!Z:
Is "matter" a property vs "not matter"?
later you substituted 'matter' with 'substrate' when you drew the identity
as being "interchangeable" to. So is radiation "matterly matter" or an
interchange? I told you I am nitpicking.
I am not accepting the identification of existence as "exist" must be. Then
you bring in "things" and "concepts", hard to follow, when you deny the
existence of HP things "literally" existing ONLY in the mind.
You missed a reply about the numbers.

Destroying 'matter'? one mysterious way is to let it be absorbed in a BH,
the other - with your words - to 'interchange' (I still did not get whether
radiation IS matter or only "interchangeable" into).

I wanted to illustrate that the "words" we use are captured by different
persons in different meanings/connotations.
Once it comes to non-conventional thoughts, we do not have the words.

I hope I did not irritate you. I tried hard to be difficult.

John M
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>
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Communication - human and in language, I suppose, depends on words we
say,
> > understand and assign (some) meaning to. So here is a bit of nitpicking
> > about the words you used below: (please, Peter, don't take it
personally -
> > thank you):
> >
> > Properties: Would you reduce them to green, hard, big, hot etc.? Isn't
all
> > that jazz     in the physics books about 'properties' in another sense?
>
>
> Properties are whatever distinguishes one thing from another. Whether
> green, hard, big etc are reducible to the properties of physics is
> another
> question.
>
> > Roles to perform: you mean roles we 1.) know about, 2.) accept as
'roles',
> > or         even does everything have to perform a role?
> >
> > Instantiated: represented by a 'role' we acknowledge. And if we don't?
is
> > nature
> >     subject to our approval (or even knowledge)?
> >
> > Existence: what is it?
>
> A very tricky question. My take is that "..exists" is a meaningful
> predicate
> of *concepts* rather than things. The thing must exist in some
> sense to be talked about ...in what sense ? Initially as a concept,
> and then we can say whether or not the concept has something
> to refer to. Thus "bigfoot exists" means "the concept 'bigfoot' has
> a referent".
>
> > Possible things: possible in OUR (limited) view? or possible, even if we
> > 'think' it     is impossible (for us)? BTW Harry Potter things are all
> > possible, they exist in         "our" universe, since human minds (part
of
> > our universe) have it.
>
> The don't *literally* exist in minds.
>
> >  So are the         numbers (according to D. Bohm:
> > human inventions) - they are part of nature,     since humans as part of
> > nature invented them with their minds - and now             containing
the
> > numbers "in nature". (No offense, numberist members!)
> >
> > Propertiless change: as I assume: existence is a property even of
matter.
> > Destroy     matter and its property of 'existence' will change (BH
etc.).
>
> How do you destroy matter ?
>
> > Of
> > course the big     question remains: is 'radiation' (waves?) matter or
not?
>
> Mass/energy are interchangeable and are both the "substrate"..
>
> > Just for a lazy Sunday afternoon, with friendship
> >
> > John Mikes
> >
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> > Subject: Re: Difficulties in communication. . .
> >
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