On 3/2/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What I say is if we really want to 'shape up' and survive, then
> > compassion, democracy, ethics and scientific method are four essential
> > ingredients without which our modern world will go the way of all those
> > other civilisations your mentioned.
>
> It will go the way of those other civilizations anyway because: a) it's
> dependent on energy from cheap oil and b) all civilizations rise and fall,
> none last forever.


It always fills me with hope when I hear unsentimental realism like that.

Stathis Papaioannou

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