Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 3/19/07, *Brent Meeker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > >If there are OMs which don't > > remember being you then they are not going to be part of your > stream of > > consciousness. > > There's the rub. Almost all my OMs *do not* include consciously > remembering being me (or anyone). And if you suppose there is an > *unconscious* memory component of an OM then there's a problem with > what it means to have an unconscious part of consciousness. > > > Well, how do you maintain a sense of being you in normal life?
Certainly not consciously. >If you > are absent-mindedly staring at a tree you at least have a sense that you > have been staring at the tree, rather than drowning in the ocean a > moment ago. I have that sense transiently - and its isolated and unconnected to the OM in which I was staring at the tree, except through the content it shares, i.e. my staring at a tree - the one as perception and the other as memory of a perception. >You are also aware that you haven't grown 10cm taller or > suddenly changed sex - that is, you would immediately be aware of these > things had they happened, even though you are not actively thinking > about them or their absence. >So a bland sameness from moment to moment > constitutes a sense of memory and continuity of identity, What's a "sense of memory"? Is it conscious? I'm not conscious of one. I'd say it's the default model we use when we think, "Am I the same person I was a few minutes ago? Don't feel and different. Must be." >since an OM > that deviated substantially from this would either not be considered as > a successor OM or immediately alert you that something strange had > happened. But as you argued earlier OMs don't communicate. They are not related except by their conscious content. So an OM never has knowledge of another OM against which to measure its deviation. One might experience an OM whose content was, "I'm a different person than I was ten minutes ago because I now notice a discontinuity in my memory." but I'm not sure even that would break my feeling of being me. My point is that, at least as I experience it, consciousness, the inner narrative we tell ourselves, is far too weak, to lacking in content, to create a chain of experience. Memory cannot do it because one is rarely, consciously remembering anything. What creates the chain is something unconscious - something not observed and so not part of an OM. Of course you can deny that there is any chain and think of it more like network of paths with marked stepping stones. Once in awhile there's a stone that's marked, "Remember you're Brent Meeker." and every path that includes one of these is "me", even if the path also includes some marked "Remember you're Stathis Papaioannou." Brent Meeker --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---