Le 20-mars-07, à 17:07, Brent Meeker a écrit :
> > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Le 01-mars-07, à 00:35, Brent Meeker a écrit : >> >>> Brent Meeker quoted: >>> "Atheism is a belief system the way "Off" is a TV channel." >>> --- George Carlin >> >> >> >> Carlin makes the typical confusion between atheism and agnosticism. >> >> An atheist has indeed a rich belief system: >> 1) he believes that God does not exist (unlike an agnostic who does >> not >> believe that God exists: that makes a huge difference) > > I disagree. Those are definitions consistent is usage, but so are > > atheist: one who doesn't believe that God (meaning the god of theism) > exists. > > agnostic: one who believes it is impossible have any knowledge as to > whether God exists. > > Those are also common usages and align more closely with the etymology > of the words. Even searching in most web dictionaries I don't find such definitions, except in parentheses with remark like "some also use the term in such or such way". > > >> 2) he generally believes in a material or Aristotelian Universe >> (despite its contradiction with comp, > > What contradiction is that? It is the epistemological contradiction which follows the UDA reasoning. It is not an ontic contradiction because science can never refute anything ontological. But it is a logical contradiction between comp, materialism and even very weak form of Occam razor, like the contradiction in believing in both thermodynamic and invisible horses pulling cars. > >> or with QM, or with some >> physically reproducible facts, and despite any proof or argument >> beyond >> the Aristotelian Matter reification.) > > To say one shouldn't reifying matter seems like saying one shouldn't > anthropomorphize people. Things made of matter, tables and chairs, > exist paradigmatically. That there may be some deeper, more > fundamental explanation of tables and chairs hardly makes them go > away. Of course. I was talking about primitive or reifed matter, not about gluons or elephants. Must go for now, Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
