Le 20-mars-07, à 17:07, Brent Meeker a écrit :
> Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> Le 01-mars-07, à 00:35, Brent Meeker a écrit :
>>> Brent Meeker quoted:
>>> "Atheism is a belief system the way "Off" is a TV channel."
>>> --- George Carlin
>> Carlin makes the typical confusion between atheism and agnosticism.
>> An atheist has indeed a rich belief system:
>> 1) he believes that God does not exist (unlike an agnostic who does
>> believe that God exists: that makes a huge difference)
> I disagree. Those are definitions consistent is usage, but so are
> atheist: one who doesn't believe that God (meaning the god of theism)
> agnostic: one who believes it is impossible have any knowledge as to
> whether God exists.
> Those are also common usages and align more closely with the etymology
> of the words.
Even searching in most web dictionaries I don't find such definitions,
except in parentheses with remark like "some also use the term in such
or such way".
>> 2) he generally believes in a material or Aristotelian Universe
>> (despite its contradiction with comp,
> What contradiction is that?
It is the epistemological contradiction which follows the UDA
reasoning. It is not an ontic contradiction because science can never
refute anything ontological. But it is a logical contradiction between
comp, materialism and even very weak form of Occam razor, like the
contradiction in believing in both thermodynamic and invisible horses
>> or with QM, or with some
>> physically reproducible facts, and despite any proof or argument
>> the Aristotelian Matter reification.)
> To say one shouldn't reifying matter seems like saying one shouldn't
> anthropomorphize people. Things made of matter, tables and chairs,
> exist paradigmatically. That there may be some deeper, more
> fundamental explanation of tables and chairs hardly makes them go
Of course. I was talking about primitive or reifed matter, not about
gluons or elephants.
Must go for now,
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to email@example.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more options, visit this group at