> On Jun 3, 11:11 pm, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Determining the motivational states of others does not necessarily involve
>> feelings or empathy. It has been historically very easy to assume that other
>> species or certain members of our own species either lack feelings or, if
>> they have them, it doesn't matter. Moreover, this hasn't prevented people
>> from determining the motivations of inferior beings in order to exploit
>> them. So although having feelings may be necessary for ethical behaviour, it
>> is not sufficient.
> You are ignoring the distinction I made between three different kinds
> of general intelligence.  I gave there different definitions remember:
> *Pattern Recognition Intelligence
> *Symbolic Reasoning Intelligence
> *Reflective Intelligence
> A mere 'determination of the motivational states of self and others'
> does not by itself constitute *reflective intelligence* according my
> definitions.  Not only must the motivational states of self/others by
> determined and represented (this process by itself does not require
> ethics or sentience), these representations must be *reflected* upon.
> Only this final step, I'm saying, leads to ethical behaviour.  Once
> you have a system performing *full* reflection correctly, you get
> feelings.  And, I maintain, there is no real difference between
> feeling and motivation.

But what feeling?  You assume that the AI has the same values to reflect on as 
a normal human.  Even normal humans have feelings of competitivness, they value 
domination and security.  An AI, however reflective, might conclude the world 
would be better without humans, leaving more resources for copies of itself.  
Of course you could define this away as "not bad", but then we're left to 
wonder what counts as "bad behavoir" and what doesn't.

Brent Meeker

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