'I've seen quite a few deluded people who believe that they are 
dead, but
> no-one who thinks they're unconscious...'

MP: There is possibly a loose end or two here and perhaps 
clarification is needed, yet again:

*       It may well be that history is in the making, Torgny Tholerus 
is breaking new ground with Earth shaking results [sorry :-], 
and kudos will be yours if you can book him in first for a 
consultation [or dissection if it comes to that].

*       Or this could conceivably be construed as a 'state of grace' 
in that Torgny is operating with no mental capacity being wasted 
on self-talk or internal commentary: 'just doing' whatever needs 
to be done and 'just being' what he needs to be; very Zen!

*       Then again it may be that I have misunderstood TT's grammar 
and that what he is denying is simply the separate existence of 
something called 'consciousness'. If that be the case then I 
would not argue because I agree that the subjective impression 
of being here now is simply what it is like to be part of the 
processing the brain does, ie updating the model of self in the 

*       But I agree also that you are highly unlikely to come across 
someone who can truthfully say 'I am not conscious'. It seems 
totally self-contradictory: for example a person not just with 
'hemi' neglect, but total neglect. How could such a person 
encounter themselves or the world?
Or is there the possibility of something like so-called 
blindsight in every sensory modality? For example: deaf-hearing, 
numb-sensing, proprio-non-ception? This would imply a zombie 
[without 'a life'] which survived by making apparently random 
guesses about everything yet getting significantly more than 
chance success in each modality.

A scary thought!


Mark Peaty  CDES



Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> On 09/06/07, *Mark Peaty* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:'
>     >  What is the philosophical term for persons like me, that totally deny
>     >  the existence of the consciousness?'
>     MP: I think the word you are looking for is "deluded".
> I've seen quite a few deluded people who believe that they are dead, but 
> no-one who thinks they're unconscious...  something to keep an eye out for.
> -- 
> Stathis Papaioannou

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