2007/6/14, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Quentin Anciaux skrev:
> 2007/6/14, Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 14/06/07, Quentin Anciaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure but I still don't understand what could mean 'to know', 'to
> believe' for an entity which is not conscious. Also if you're not
> conscious, there is no 'me', no 'I', so there exists no 'person like
> you' because then you're not a person.
> Sure, but Torgny is just displaying the person-like behaviour of claiming
> be a person.
> Yes, in this case his writing is just garbage because it doesn't have
> any meaning. I can't understand what it means for an unconscious thing
> (for example a rock) to know something, to believe in something, to
> have thought (especially this one, because it could be a definition of
> consciousness, ie: something which has thought).
> If the rock behaves as if it knows something (if you say something to the
> rock, and the rock gives you an intelligent answer), then you can say that
> the rock knows something. When the rock behaves as if it believes in
> something, then you can say that the rock believes in something. If the
> rock behaves as if it has thought, then you can say that the rock has
> If a rock shows the same behavior as a human being, then you should be able
> to use the same words ("know", believe", "think") to describe this
> Torgny Tholerus
If the rock know something and it behaves like it knows it, then it is
Consciousness is that from a third person pov... nobody can know
others consciousness, conscious experience is a 1st person pov, and by
this not communicable in its entirety. I will never know what it is
like to be Torgny like you'll never know what it is like to be me,
these things are not 3rd person communicable in there entirety. You
must be it to know it.
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