Hal, I cannot follow you: one the one hand you say:
Something if incomplete will have to increase its completeness to answer meaningful questions which implies volition and therefore spirit; and on the other hand you say: There is no intent to imply some sort of choice on the part of the Something. which denies spirit, and on the third hand: the quest is an ... system induced need for a ongoing influx of information in which the term "need" goes back to supporting a spirit-based system. George Hal Ruhl wrote: >Hi George: > >I use the term "quest" because a Something if incomplete will have to >increase its completeness to answer meaningful questions that get >asked but it can not answer. The motivator is partly external - an >answer [mostly more than one is available] is "out there" in the >unexplored Everything and partly internal - the particular question >must be answered. There is no intent to imply some sort of choice on >the part of the Something. To use your last thoughts below the quest >is an [Everything, Something, Nothing] system induced need for a >ongoing influx of information into the particular Something from the >Everything [the boundary of the particular Something with the >Everything alters to include more of the Everything. The Something >encompasses an ever increasing portion of the Everything but it must do so. > >In this case I currently see no higher level of driver for any sub >component of the Something including what one might call an >observer. I may need to reconsider when I get to that point in >Russell's book but my time restraints force me to take considerable >time doing so. > >Hal Ruhl > >At 02:21 PM 1/16/2008, you wrote: > > > >>Hi Hal, >>This topic interests me, but I find it difficult to go past the second >>sentence in your post. The phrase "Something is on a quest" carries a >>lot of baggage, in particular that "Something" has intention, purpose >>and motivation. Either we have to assume that this intention is produced >>by a fundamental "spirit" or "soul" that you have assigned to the >>Something, or that the intention is emergent from a complex >>consciousness simulation possibly involving Quantum Mechanics..... If >>you assume a spirit or soul you are making a quasi religious assumption. >>Is this what you want? How do we explain spirit or soul? If you are >>assuming a complex consciousness simulation, there is a whole layer that >>needs to be explained which no one has yet fully explained yet. >>Usually scientists use objective and impersonal criteria such as "energy >>minimization" to explain how a reaction is driven in one particular >>direction. In chemistry, for example, "Le Chatelier Principle" is used. >> >>George >> >>Hal Ruhl wrote: >> >> >> >>>I have touched on this subject before but the following is my current >>>view of "Dark Energy" >>> >>>In my approach a Something is on a quest for completeness within the >>>Everything. >>> >>>Based on this, the following points can be made: >>> >>>1) The number of current incompleteness sites for a given Something >>>would be at least proportional to the surface area of its boundary >>>with the rest of the Everything if not proportional to its volume. >>> >>>2) Thus the larger [more information content] a Something is [has] >>>the more such sites it has and the larger any given step in the >>> >>> >>quest can be. >> >> >>>3) This gives an increase in the average information influx as the >>>quest progresses. >>> >>>4) If the universe described by that Something has a maximum finite >>>information packing density in its "space" then an accelerating >>>increase in the size of that space should be "observed" since both >>>the volume and surface area of a Something inside the Everything >>>increases as the quest progresses. >>> >>> Hal Ruhl >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---