On Jan 8, 1:01 pm, "John Mikes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > JM: does anything like 'completion' make sense in speaking about an > unlimited totality? Furthermore: are 'copies' considerable substantial > items, or simply our figment of looking from different angles into > different angles - at the same item? > 1. If there is -a- 'nothingness' does it multiply when we in our > human logic detect "it" again? > 2. Do we assign qualia to nothingness? of course not. > - I am inclined to sort nothingness with infinity: we can talk about > it but have no (human) reason-based meaning - understanding - about > its essence. Georg Cantor tried it for the "infinity" - what > I still consider a mathematical game of details - not the end.

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I haven't had a chance to explore RS's book yet, but I can share the simple way that I unite nothing and infinity in my own book which is I suppose is fundamentally about nothing and everything. There is a real existing "nothing" and there is a concept nonexistence and they should never be confused. The real nothing is common, "nothing in the refrigerator", a white canvas, empty space (the ideal or direction toward i.e., expansion). The real nothing is simply balance, uniformity, perfect symmetry. It isn't a cancellation of properties or existence, it is a unification or synthesis into a single form, which we see as nothing. Cook everything in the frig together and you end up with one thing with far fewer properties. That property-less "one" in mathematics is zero. In a simple examination of zero it appears to contain all other numbers, as x + -x equals zero. However, zero mathematically refers to "no things" or cancellation, and so we say the sum of all reals is indefinite. However, as I explain in my book there are two mathematical systems not one. It is all or nothing. Zero can either represents no things, or zero represents all things. If zero is all things, zero becomes infinite, and as a result all numbers become infinite. +1 becomes all numbers except -1 is excluded, etc etc. Suddenly instead of counting things, numbers represents fragments of the everything of zero. The radical consequence of this is that the value or content of numbers decreases rather than increases. Five is a larger infinity than four, since more has been removed, it is a smaller fragment of the whole of a zero everything. 5 billion is a much smaller value and as we count into greater numerals our value or content is decreasing and even converging toward an infinitely small value. What we are doing is fragmenting zero, we are slicing it up into parts, and since our numerical value is converging rather than diverging we can recognize a smallest number, positive infinity, an exact division or fragmentation made of zero, which in this system is an actual value, no less definite and completed than the whole of zero, and so this infinity not merely a never ending or unlimited process. I call this number Proto, and the negative Elea. So where we are used to not having a mathematical value to represent everything, and used to being caught up in incomprehensible indefinite infinities, in this math the overall infinity of mathematical values is bounded by extremes. There is an all positive half, an all negative half, and the whole of zero. In the same way there exists infinite fractions between zero and one, this math system is infinite yet bounded by extremes, and note there is no nothing in this system, or rather nothing and everything are the same thing...zero. My cosmological application of this system is that Proto, I claim, is the infinitely dense (all positive) and infinitely small singularity in our past, the extreme of all positive, and the pendulum swung all the way to one side. (In this second system there cannot be a value smaller than half of the whole, yet that smallest value is still infinite). The zero of this math, or Omega, is the singularity of empty space toward which our universe is currently accelerating towards. It is the largest value in nature, and why the universe expands and ultimate ends as a perfectly flat space extending infinitely in all directions (perfect symmetry). The most dramatic consequence of all this being the realization that our universe is not simply becoming disordered, our universe is not dying, rather time evolves away from one kind of order (the ultimate grouping of all positive apart from all negative, with each having high symmetry internally while relative to zero they are perfect asymmetry) and time evolves towards a whole other kind of order (unity, balance, perfect symmetry) which is actually the infinite whole, a quantum superposition of all universes, matter and antimatter worlds, antimatter worlds being those that travel from negative Elea to zero. So as to why we exist rather than nothing at all, the answer is that nothing still exists. What we think of as nothing is really everything, and zero is the native state of being, as non-being or nonexistence cannot "be" (Parmenides). It simply is. We are inside the real nothing, inside zero. Ordinary math is based upon the order of the past, the distinction and form that results of slicing zero up, with Proto claiming to be the great 1, the beginning, everything that matters, more than zero. This second system, which I call symmetry math, is certainly less functional in our everyday lives, but it is less of an abstraction of true reality, and applies much more effectively to cosmology, the study of the whole. Gevin Giorbran http://everythingforever.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---