On 27/12/2008, at 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> nd sometimes, even that is not enough, and you have to climb on the > higher infinities. I think Kim was asking for an example of well- > defined notions which are not effective. The existence of such non > effective objects is not obvious at all for non mathematicians. > > Your interpretation was correct too given that Kim question was > ambiguous. I wanted to know if you can have: 1. A system with a defined set of rules but no definite description (an electron?) or 2. A system with a definite description but no rules governing it (???) Based on Abram's original distinction, as a way of separating the two types of machine that Günther specified. My intuition says you can have 1 but maybe not 2. I am struggling here maybe badly... Most systems of course have both. Arithmetical reality surely has rules but I'm wondering about the description? Maybe it is the candidate as Bruno suggests? cheers, K --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
