Hi Colin, the problem is that while the _ideal_ of science is rationality, it is not yet fully institutionalized (can it ever be?) and people still harbor a lot of irrationality personally (scientists often have the strangest beliefs outside their speciality (http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/01/outside_the_lab.html)).
That's why people like those at overcomingbias.com are important - I hope a lot will change in the coming years. See for instance this post: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/05/science-doesnt.html or this: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/05/when-science-ca.html QUOTE The drive of Science is to obtain a mountain of evidence so huge that not even fallible human scientists can misread it. But even that sometimes goes wrong, when people become confused about which theory predicts what, or bake extremely-hard-to-test components into an early version of their theory. And sometimes you just can't get clear experimental evidence at all. Either way, you have to try to do the thing that Science doesn't trust anyone to do - think rationally, and figure out the answer before you get clubbed over the head with it. END QUOTE Or this one: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/05/science-or-baye.html Never forget, it's only been a few thousand years since the stone age. Don't expect too much yet ;-) Cheers, Günther Colin Hales wrote: > The file..... sorry .... use *Rejection 101.pdf* > enjoy! > colin > > > Colin Hales wrote: >> Hi Bruno, >> I feel your angst. The received view is a blunt and frightened beast, >> guarded by the ignorant and uncreative in wily protection of turf and >> co-conspirator. I recently did a powerpoint presentation called >> "rejection 101". It sounds like you have been through exactly what I >> have been through - except on a geological timescale that would tire a >> god. Although I am starting to make progress... I regard that progress >> to be achieved in spite of them, not because of their vision or >> knowledge. The science I thought I was going to find was full of those >> who frolic in ideas.... sadly I was mistaken. Now, when I think I have >> made progress - I know that progress to be mediated by the less than >> adequate - and promulgated by momentum rather than incisive scrutiny- >> and it doesn't feel good. >> >> see file *2008_Thu_23_Oct.pdf * in the googlegroups everythinglist >> file store. >> >> So Amoebas speak english now, eh? Excellent. :-) >> >> cheers, >> Colin >> >> >> m.a. wrote: >>> * Bruno, * >>> * I've often wondered why neither Dr. Deutsch nor Alan >>> Forrester has commented on your theory of UDA and AUDA. I certainly >>> would be interested in their views. A theory that has execised some >>> of the best minds on this list for months on end certainly deserves >>> serious consideration. Best, * >>> >>> >>> *martin a.* >>> ** >>> ** >>> ** >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bruno Marchal" < marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be> > >>> To: < everything-l...@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:everything-l...@googlegroups.com> > >>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started >>> >>> >>> > Even with politics operating behind the scene (which you have >>> > hinted), I can't imagine that nothing of the work is publishable. >>> >>> >>> I already discussed proposition of publishing "Conscience et >>> Mécanisme" with three publishers, before my thesis was judged not >>> receivable (meaning no private defense, nor public defense, I have >>> *never* met those who criticize, not even my work, but a product of >>> their imagination). Then silence, even after the defense in Lille, and >>> even more after the paradoxical price in Paris. >>> >>> I cannot explain. Or I can explain except that here reality is far >>> beyond fiction as usual, but also more sad, and rather delicate if >>> only because that story is not finished. >>> My life is more unbelievable than any thing I assert in my works. It >>> took me 22 years to understand what happened in 1977, and since then. >>> >>> I feel responsible to let them build they own trap, and then get >>> myself a bit worried seeing them to protect themselves from Brussels >>> to Paris! >>> >>> It is not because I have done an "original work" (say) in Brussels, >>> that I got problems there. It is because I got problems in Brussels >>> that I have done an original work. In 1977, they give me no chance, >>> not even getting out of Belgium. >>> In 1994, my work was criticize vaguely as "not original", "too much >>> simple", and then "delirious". And now already "not from him" in some >>> place. Which again shows the problems is not related with my findings, >>> except it belongs to the kind of things you can easily use to treat >>> you as a fool (Gödel's theorem, Quantum mechanics, consciousness: few >>> understand so it is easy to say "not serious"). >>> >>> The little scandal has grown up all the time and is too big, now. It >>> is the kind of manipulation which makes everyone feel responsible, >>> from corporatist reflex to corporatist reflex, when actually there is >>> only one, very clever, but very bad, guy. >>> Now that "little scandal" has become big enough to throw light on >>> other really bigger scandals. There are "cadavres dans les placards", >>> as we say in French (corpses hidden in boxes). Mean of pressures. >>> >>> I still believe in academies, but like in School "serial killer" can >>> exist. When you see the time made by religious institution to protect >>> their member of their hierarchy from their much grave behavior, I >>> estimate it could take a long time if ever to understand and recognize >>> what happened. >>> And I have no problem with serious academicians and scientists which >>> understand enough to understand it is "serious", even if probably >>> wrong, which I have myself never ceased to believe plausible (which >>> explains why I am eager to discuss the validity of the UDA steps, with >>> people interested). I did defend the work as PhD thesis. I was asked >>> many questions, I answered them and everyone got the idea. Some people >>> takes time, but most get enough to trust the interest of the work. >>> Still today, few get both UDA and AUDA. >>> >>> UDA is almost easy, but not so easy. AUDA is very *simple*, once you >>> understand enough standard logic (which I have discovered is >>> excessively rare). The whole thing is strongly interdisciplinary, and >>> between disciplines, rumors circulate more quickly than "scientific >>> bridge", which often makes people feeling being aggressed on their >>> territories. Even more so when the work approaches question >>> traditionally qualified as "philosophical". >>> >>> My initial power comes from the fact that in 1977, I did abandoned, >>> for bad reasons (but it will take many years to understand that), the >>> idea of doing academic research, and so I did come back to the very >>> fundamental questioning I have always been living. I didn't and don't >>> complain (my weakness probably). >>> And it is the Academy, 20 years later, which will push me back again, >>> and again. I have never submitted publications by myself. All have >>> been asked by people, having heard I said something new, sometimes >>> insisting gently. Nowadays, since those events, even ordered paper (or >>> jobs) get jeopardized quickly. Last year I was asked to write a paper >>> for a book in homage to the late logician Jean Ladrière, (who offered >>> to me its formidable book on Gödel theorems: Les limitations internes >>> des formalismes"), and then ... nothing again. I am used to it. >>> >>> Thanks for your interest, >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---