Hi Bruno On May 19, 7:37 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > ....... UDA is an argument showing that the current > paradigmatic chain MATTER => CONSCIOUSNESS => NUMBER is reversed: with > comp I can explain too you in details (it is long) that the chain > should be NUMBER => CONSCIOUSNESS => MATTER. Some agree already that > it could be NUMBER => MATTER => CONSCIOUSNESS, and this indeed is more > locally obvious, yet I pretend that comp forces eventually the > complete reversal.
Do you have any reference where this is developed? I try to be as close to facts as possible, and the most plausible explanation for me, trough natural selection, is that consciousness is a processing device made by natural selection as an adaptation to the physical environment, social environment included. So I support matter-> consciousness. Dualism is the result of my subjective experience, and my subjective experience is the most objective fact that I can reach. I cannot support this Kantian notion consciousness -> matter. The final words that I can say about the "hard problem" of consciousness is that any conversation with a robot, with the self- module that I described in the previous post, will give answers about qualia indistinguisable from the answers of any of you. He would indeed doubt about if you are indeed robots and he is the only conscious being on earth. Just as any of you may think. Its self module would not say "I perceive the green as green" because he has this as an standard answer, like a fake Turing test program, but because it can zoom in the details of every leaf, grass etc and verify that the range of ligh frecuencies are in the range of frequencias that a computer programmer assigned to green and a trainer later told him to call it "green". He even can have its own philosophical theories about qualia, the self etc. He even may ask himself about the origins of moral and self determination, and even all of this may force him to believe in God. So we must conclude that he have its own qualia and all the attributes of consciousness. in no less degree than I could believe in yours. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---