On 18 Sep, 16:11, Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru> wrote: > on 18.09.2010 01:38 1Z said the following: > > > > > On 17 Sep, 18:52, Evgenii Rudnyi<use...@rudnyi.ru> wrote: > >> on 17.09.2010 14:33 1Z said the following: > > >>> On 26 Aug, 17:37, David Nyman<david.ny...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ... > > > > >> The next citation by Robert B. Laughlin (Nobel laureate in > >> physics) could be of interest here: > > >>http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2010/08/matter-and-little-ghosts.html > > >> "By the most important effect of phase organisation is to cause > >> objects to exist. This point is subtle and easily overlooked, since > >> we are accustomed to thinking about solidification in terms of > >> packing of Newtonian spheres. Atoms are not Newtonian spheres, > >> however, but ethereal quantum-mechanical entities lacking that most > >> central of all properties of an object an identifiable position. > >> This is why attempts to describe free atoms in Newtonian terms > >> always result in nonsense statements such as their being neither > >> here nor there but simultaneously everywhere. It is aggregation > >> into large objects that makes a Newtonian description of the atoms > >> meaningful, not the reverse. One might compare this phenomenon with > >> a yet-to-be-filmed Stephen Spilberg movie in which a huge number of > >> little ghosts lock arms and, in doing so, become corporeal." > > >> Evgenii > > > Physics may well be less reductionist than the reductionism of the > > philosophers. But the reductionism of the philosophers still does not > > entail elimination > > On the other hand, the philosophers should somehow relate their thoughts > with the development in physics. > > By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O and H2O is in > chemical bonds in H2O.
such bonds can be considered basic elements of reality, too >Also one may not necessarily obtain H2O from H > and O. It depends on temperature and pressure, if temperature is high > enough then there are no water molecules anymore. There is some kinetics > as well. Say diamond is thermodynamically unstable at normal conditions, > but this fact does not influence the diamond prices > > http://www.diamondse.info/diamonds-price-index.asp -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.