Friends, that reminds me of my 1/2 c profession in - more or less - chemistry with a conclusion that averted the brainwashing received in college (and applied in my successful R&D work as long as it lasted) that the chemical 'formulae' of compounds describe 'ingredients'.
You mentioned H2O - which is standing for *WATER.* as solid ice, liquid, or gas (vapor). You did not detail the 'ingredients' mixed up as H, O, naturally non-existing entities except for quite esoteric conditions we almost do not even know. What we know is H2 and O2 molecules, none of them detectable in water (any form) not even resembling characteristic in the mix produced when water has been *DESTROYED*. Similarly we learned about H and O when destroying H2 and O2 gasses. The resemblance comes as a result of mathematical transforms. (Forget for now spectroscopical matches: they were named backwards over hundreds of steps in tests just to show such matches). Now every child knows that water consists of oxygen and hydrogen. And the tooth fairy provides for the teeth. Gross negligence and superficiality. So: That is in a compound with MW(?) 18, ingredients: 2, extensively findable and general. Imagine our conventional scientific question marks in - say - proteins (MW: >millions, ingredients >18+) and zillions of configurational/conformational design-potentials. Synthetic polymers seem more regulated if you stick to the imagined atomic composition and forget about the (conf/conf) design potentials, restricted into the features we considered yesterday. (Nano-structures are new and who knows what else is coming up?) Conventional sciences is a nice pipe-dream, we take what we know - period. Think further: and you are out, no publisher available, no pulpit to expose ideas - of course, because those ideas usually exceed the measuring capabilities of the past instrumental designs and so do not provide (numerical!) data for mathematical churnings. *"Compounds "exist"???"* of course, we think of them, eo ipso they 'exist' *in our minds*. Is there any other definition of *existing?* do we have criteria for 'objective' reality? Can we observe/count measure it? Nope. *"> > Compounds aren't postulated as some separate set of entities--they > > are just set theoretic constructs put of what does exsit. **H2O is not > > distinct from the two H's and the O".* just - as I tried to show it above - has nothing to do with them. Even if you 'synthesize' for proof - you burn H2 *gas* in O2 *gas* (or vice versa, nothing about *"H"* and *"O"*, with completely different attributes and characteristics. Careful with 'belief systems' called: conventional sciences: they are mostly hearsay-based and justified backwards with evidence manufactured in the course of million steps. Some retrograded. Frustrated in my conventional knowledge-memories regarding chemistry (Ph.D.,) and polymer molecular technology (D.Sc) when thinking forward John M. On 9/17/10, 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On 17 Sep, 14:10, David Nyman <da...@davidnyman.com> wrote: > > On 17 September 2010 13:33, 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Compounds aren't postulated as some separate set of entities--they > > > are just set theoretic constructs put of what does exsit. H2O is not > > > distinct from the two H's and the O. > > > > That's exactly my point. Think about it. > > I did. It turns out that compounds exist, but not primarily. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.