Rex, Is not what you attribute to Bruno just standard MWI (Many Worlds) thinking? Richard
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Rex Allen <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Russell Standish <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 04:42:46PM -0400, Rex Allen wrote: > >> > >> How can any of those questions be approached by conscious entities in > >> a deterministic computational framework? > >> > >> Everything you’ll ever learn, every mistake you’ll ever make, every > >> belief you’ll ever have is already locked in. > >> > >> Your life is “on rails”. Maybe your final destination is good, maybe > >> it’s bad - but both the destination and the path to it are static and > >> fixed in Platonia. > > > > This is provably false. > > What, exactly, are you claiming is provably false? > > > > One of Bruno's important results is 3-determinism > > implies 1-indeterminism. > > This is sort of anti-climactic after your initial statement. > > One of Bruno's important results is that if my future is determined, > in some sense it's not determined "for me" as an individual. > > > > It is not that hard to get, so would be worth your > > while trying to understand. > > I think I understand this already. The whole teleporting > moscow-washington thing, right? > > In Platonia, there are many computational paths that branch out from > the current state that represents "me". > > Each of these paths looks like a "possible future" from my subjective > standpoint. > > But, they're not possible, they're actual. In Platonia, they all > exist. And they do so timelessly...so they're not "futures" they're a > series of "nows". > > So, subjectively, I have the "illusion" of an undetermined "future". > > But...really, it's determined. Every one of those paths is > objectively actualized. > > So how does this prove what I said false? All those static "futures" > are mine. They're all determined. I'm still on rails...it's just > that the rails split in a rather unintuitive way. > > Even if we say that what constitutes "me" is a single unbranched > path...this still doesn't make what I said false. I'm one of those > paths, I just don't know which. But ignorance of the future is not > indeterminism. Ignorance of the future is ignorance of the (fully > determined) > future. > > Rex > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
