Rex,

Is not what you attribute to Bruno just standard MWI (Many Worlds) thinking?
Richard

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Rex Allen <rexallen31...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 04:42:46PM -0400, Rex Allen wrote:
> >>
> >> How can any of those questions be approached by conscious entities in
> >> a deterministic computational framework?
> >>
> >> Everything you’ll ever learn, every mistake you’ll ever make, every
> >> belief you’ll ever have is already locked in.
> >>
> >> Your life is “on rails”.  Maybe your final destination is good, maybe
> >> it’s bad - but both the destination and the path to it are static and
> >> fixed in Platonia.
> >
> > This is provably false.
>
> What, exactly, are you claiming is provably false?
>
>
> > One of Bruno's important results is 3-determinism
> > implies 1-indeterminism.
>
> This is sort of anti-climactic after your initial statement.
>
> One of Bruno's important results is that if my future is determined,
> in some sense it's not determined "for me" as an individual.
>
>
> > It is not that hard to get, so would be worth your
> > while trying to understand.
>
> I think I understand this already.  The whole teleporting
> moscow-washington thing, right?
>
> In Platonia, there are many computational paths that branch out from
> the current state that represents "me".
>
> Each of these paths looks like a "possible future" from my subjective
> standpoint.
>
> But, they're not possible, they're actual.  In Platonia, they all
> exist.  And they do so timelessly...so they're not "futures" they're a
> series of "nows".
>
> So, subjectively, I have the "illusion" of an undetermined "future".
>
> But...really, it's determined.  Every one of those paths is
> objectively actualized.
>
> So how does this prove what I said false?  All those static "futures"
> are mine.  They're all determined.  I'm still on rails...it's just
> that the rails split in a rather unintuitive way.
>
> Even if we say that what constitutes "me" is a single unbranched
> path...this still doesn't make what I said false.  I'm one of those
> paths, I just don't know which.  But ignorance of the future is not
> indeterminism.  Ignorance of the future is ignorance of the (fully
> determined)
> future.
>
> Rex
>
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