Sorry, I have not understood your question correctly - I thought it was something like "what was before pain". My unconsciousness has answered your question faster as it has interpreted it correctly for my consciousness.

The answer to your question in my view that without consciousness there would be no pain.


On 07.08.2011 20:07 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following:
On 07.08.2011 19:58 meekerdb said the following:
On 8/6/2011 11:44 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:


Please note that according to experimental results (see the book
mentioned in my previous message), pain comes after the event.
For example when you touch a hotplate, you take your hand back
not because of the pain. The action actually happens
unconsciously, conscious pain comes afterward.


Which invites the question, was it pain before you were conscious
of it? Would it have been pain if you'd never become conscious of

I would say just a series of neuron spikes, what else? I mean that in
 the skin there is some receptor that when it is hot excites some
neuron. That neuron excites some other neurons and eventually your
muscle move your hand. You see it differently?


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