On 14 Sep 2011, at 06:13, Stephen P. King wrote:

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On 9/13/2011 11:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:On 12 Sep 2011, at 22:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:To say that complex things can result from very simple rules is true enough, but it's circular reasoning that distracts from the relevant questions: What are 'rules' and where do they come from?You are the one assuming some physical reality. But mechanism canexplains where such physical rules come from. They are consequencesof addition and multiplication. More exactly, their appearances forthe average universal machine are consequences of 0, +, and *.Dear Bruno,Could you give us a sketch of exactly how 'physical rules' orthe appearance thereof are the "consequences of 0, + and *"? I thinkthat there is more to the explanation than the fact that 0, + and *exist.... This is the part of your work that I still do notunderstand.

Well, it is the second part. the one I call AUDA. In a sketch.

`1) define provable-by-machine-PA in the arithmetical language {0, s,`

`+, *, "E", "A", etc.}. Like in GĂ¶del 1931. This gives Bp (for`

`beweisbar <some arithmetical proposition>. This will play the role of`

`the "scientific rational opinion of the machine".`

`2) Solovay: the truth about the logic of Bp is given by G*. The`

`provable part of it is given by G.`

`3) define the knowledge of the machine by Bp & p. (Theatetus) The`

`logic of Bp & p is given by S4Grz (a logic of a form of intuitionist`

`evolving antisymmetrical knowledge.`

4) define observable by Bp & Dt (logic Z and Z*- 5) define feel-able by Bp & Dt & p (logic X and X*)

`Note that the splitting proof/truth (G/G*) extends to Bp & Dt, and to`

`Bp & Dt & p; that is the observable and the feel-able.`

`Then (eneter the arithmetical UD): restrict the arithmetical`

`realization of the sentence letters p to the sigma_1 sentence. You get`

`the logic Z1* (quanta and qualia). the quanta appears in the non`

`communicable part, and are particular case of qualia, and this assure`

`our coherence: we share histories (this is what Everett confirms the`

`most: we are collectively multiplied by huge factor, and symmetry and`

`linearity appears at the arithmetical quantum bottom.`

`If comp is correct, and if the Theatetus's idea is correct, Z1* gives`

`the probability one, and you can deduce the other probabilities from`

`there (von Neumann old criteria for a genuine quantum logic).`

`I hope I was not too sketchy. Use this to dig on the second part (the`

`interview of the LUM, it is AUDA) of the sane04 paper.`

Bruno

Onward! StephenHow are they enforced? Why would there be a difference between simple and complex to begin with and what makes one lead to the other but not the other way around?They are all statically, but logically related.Also, why do you make that argument, given that you seem to takefor granted electromagnetism, that is Maxwell laws?Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/--You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.

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