On 9/15/2011 12:49 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Bruno,
you know I am not one of 'those' taking EM for granted (rather consider such things as ingenious HUMAN explanatory proposals for poorly understood phenomena we think to receive over the millennia). *_Statistical,_* however, is a consequence not only of the description WHAT we watch, but also of the /*DOMAIN - in which we count the replies.*/ Extend/shrink the borders and the end-result will change. *_Logical?_* of course we mean HUMAN logic. The ways we get along in the limited model of our so far acquired perceived reality of the world - OUR WAY./ I wonder if you presume the Universal Computer to cover a wider knowledge-base than our present limitations and apply different ways of drawing conclusions from those rules in (your) logical studies?/
One more of my 'beefs':
Our rules (including: physical LAWS) are observational (statistical?) deductions in human knowledge. They *CONTROL - or INSTIGATE* nothing. They are descriptions of what we think is going on, paraphrased in our - mostly math-involving - human-logical (conventional?) sciences.

Right. And we express them in mathematics and logic because that ensures (insofar as possible) that they are free of self-contradiction. If we say something that is self-contradictory we fail to express anything.


We don't know how our figments (e.g. EM) RELATE to the natural change to which we think is related to. We have no DIRECT input of the RELATIONS in nature that control(?) the changes - the perception of which we receive in some human idea.

They are related only in that we know the rules (and the meta-rule of induction) have worked in the past.

Brent
"There can be no demonstrative argument to prove that those instances in which we have no experience, resemble those of which we have had experience."
    --- David Hume

It is a reverse view between 'physical law' and what we consider as happenings. Not even a description. We can calculate in many cases by those 'rules' and *MAY* get right answers (predictions) - our technology is ALMOST good. (Some mishaps still occur and if you state a 'match' to the 16th decimal, go to units in an order of magnitude 17 places to the right and you have no match even in integers.)
Best regards
John Mikes

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