On 18 Sep 2011, at 19:49, Craig Weinberg wrote:

On Sep 18, 12:00 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 17 Sep 2011, at 19:07, Stephen P. King wrote:

You seem posit as primitive some form of number and then build a
structure upon it that serves as an explanatory model for
'everything', including the appearance of a physical world with
laws, all the while not explaining how it is that the primitives
have the properties that they have other than pointing to our
experience of mathematical entities.

I postulate only two things:
1) that I can survive with a digital brain in this mundane consensual
reality (the nature of which I am neutral about)
2) that elementary proposition on natural numbers are true
independently of me and you. All scientists do this.

Even if 2 is true, nothing has independent access to those natural
numbers. A scientist relies on their neurology to remember numbers and
calculate with them. With changes to the neurological substrate,
through dementia, drugs, disease, emotion, distraction, etc, we can
lose even the sense of the elementary propositions. We can return to a
childlike state where numbers have no meaning. A computer relies upon
it's hardware. It can be damaged and/or make errors. Sense-making does
not happen in platonia -

Gödel 1931, the Mandelbrot set, and many other recent discovery have put much light on Platonia, which should be able to make you less sure about this quite strong affirmation, at the least.

it happens through the dynamic relation
between platonia (massenergy singularity) and anti-platonia (timespace

That seems non sensical.

There is no access to platonic arithmetic except as it is
reflected and reflected again through (1-p ÷ 3-p) sensorimotive (±)
reality tunnels through the (3-p * 1-p) singularity (ground).

Even the numbers needs long and deep computations to develop rich intuition on the numbers. But this can be explained without postulating magical gap God or magical gap Matter. On the contrary the theology of numbers *does* provide an explanation of the origin of those things.



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