On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:42 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/11/2012 8:45 AM, R AM wrote: > >> But what I'm saying here is not ontological determinism but in fact, >> about the subjective experience. I'm defending that we cannot imagine >> ourselves in exactly the same subjective situation and still think that we >> could have done otherwise. >> > > I can certainly imagine that. But I wonder if your use of "subjective > situation" is ambiguous. Do you mean exactly the same state, including > memory, conscious and unconscious thoughts..., or do you just mean > satisfying the same subjective description? > I would say exactly the same conscious state. If we are put again in the same conscious state, I don't think that we can consistently imagine ourselves doing otherwise. If at subjective situation t we decided x, why would we decide otherwise if *exactly* the same subjective situation was again the case? Of course, unconscious processes might make the difference (in fact, they do), but this is no help for a defender of free will, because he cannot maintain that decisions have, at bottom, an unconscious origin. > > Brent > > > Or something equivalent, if we were put again in exactly the same >> subjective situation, would we do otherwise? I don't think so, but If yes, >> why? >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%[email protected]>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
