# Re: truth

```Hi Guitar boy,

On 04 Jul 2012, at 16:12, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:```
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```Hello Everythinglisters,

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First post here, and seems fun to get lost reading the discussions from time to time, so here somebody contributing with a more musical tendency.
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It's funny how this game keeps cropping up where people want to do stuff like: 1 + 1 = 11
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If people are sincere about pulling whatever sums they feel like with personal justification, then we might as well say 1 + 1 = 0, with a kind of zen logic, where everything = nothing as a fancy justification.
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Well in Z_2 = {0, 1}, we do have a law with 1+1 = 0. (modular arithmetic). But 1 is still different from 0. But I get your point.
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And anybody still willing to assert this could post their bank account details and pin numbers and be freed from arithmetic dictatorship by having their account cleaned out by other everything listers that DO believe in sums, successors etc. as 0 = whatever they want, and the sum of their balance doesn't really matter, as it's only some personal belief shared by a few control freaks.
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Right. I think that people believing that 1+1 can be different of 2 are just imagining something else. It is not an arguent that a truth is not absolute, but that the notation used to described it can have other interpreations. In the Z_2 structure, which plays a key role in many places: 2 = 0. But 2 does not represent the successor of of the successor of zero, it represents the rest when we divide by the usual number 2. It really means:
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odd + odd = even   (the rest of 1 + 1 divided by 2 = 0)
even + even = even (the rest of 2 + 2 divided by 2 = 0)
odd + even = odd  (the rest of 1 + 2 divided by  2 = 1)

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Guitar and composition imho, have arithmetic overlap, albeit in a less than total sense, which is why I won't have to post my details here :)
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Guitar is hardest, imo. You need good trained digits!

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Looking forward to contributing from time to time.

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You are welcome,

Bruno

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On Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:09:53 AM UTC+2, JohnM wrote:
.....     Is that an absolute truth?

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By no means. It is a word-flower, a semantic hint, something in MY agnosticism and I feel like a semantic messenger only. I accept better expressions.
```(Except for "absolute truth" - ha ha).
And Teilhard was a great master of words.
John M

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On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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On 29 Jun 2012, at 16:21, John Mikes wrote:

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```Brent, thanks for the appreciation!

My point was simply that anybody's 'truth' is conditioned.
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We have no (approvable?) authority for an ABSOLUTE truth. Whatever "WE" accept is "human".
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Is that an absolute truth?

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In my humble opinion, "WE = human" seems to me quite relative. When I listen to the jumping spiders or the LĂ¶bian machines, most seems to disagree.
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Bruno

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We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.
```(de Chardin).

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```What is Mother Nature accepting?

John M

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On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:09 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
```On 6/28/2012 12:46 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Brent:
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I am the 3rd kind of the two: think not in binary, just in plain peasant logic, when 1 and 1 make 11, nothing more.
```So Bruno's "absolute truth" may have even more relatives.
John

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Or less facetiously, (The father of Kirsten)+(The father of Gennifer)=(One, me) and (one raindrop)+(one raindrop)=(one raindrop). So whether successor(x)=(x+1) depends on the applicability of arithmetic to your model.
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Brent

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