On 23 Aug 2012, at 19:35, Richard Ruquist wrote:
The waveform is subjective as it represents a particular quantum
state.
In COMP terms it is 3p. But comp people may not think of it as
subjective
since every quantum state is realized and therefore all quanta are
objective.
With comp quanta are still first person. Hopefully first person
plural, as the duplication is extended on machines populations. The
only "real" 3p notions arises in the ontology, and can be taken from
any specification of a universal system (in Post-Church-Turing Turing
sense).
Bruno
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
hmmm.
Quanta and monads are singular entities.
QM has the dualism particle/wave
Monadology has extended/inextended.
These might be construed as similar.
But QM doesn't to my knowledge have the dualism objective/subjective
unless the waveform is subjective.
Roger Clough, [email protected]
8/23/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
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Subject: Re: What are monads ? A difficulty
Hi Roger,
I like the idea that pure QM systems are the best example
of a monad.
On 8/23/2012 11:14 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Right. "The world is filled with monads"was just a way of saying
things, just a rhetorical phrase.
All physical things in the world are substances rather than monads.
If you can measure it, it's not a monad. If you can think of it, in
some cases (see below) it is a monad.
Monads are simply mental points in ideal space, which have a
potential
driving force, such as the driving force of life (called entelechy).
A desire to realize its own potential. So monads can be said to be
alive.
Monads have to be uniform substances that one could use as the
subject of a sentence. As as thought of, as intended, with no
parts. Personally I
would correct that to say "no parts at the level of image
magnification intended."
This is one of the main difficulties in understanding Leibniz. If
you think
of Socrates as a whole, not separately of organs, etc., that Socrates
would be a monad. A monad has to be, as they say, "the whole
enchilada".
I would say thus that I am a monad, as are you.
Monads and snd the substances they refer to are infinite in variety.
Space and time are excluded from this as space and time separately
are not in spacetime.
Roger Clough, [email protected]
8/23/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
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Subject: Re: Leibniz's theodicy: a nonlocal and hopefully best
mereology
Hi Roger,
I agree in spirit with you but cringe at the use of the
word "filled". Do you have any ideas as to the mereological
relation between monads?
On 8/23/2012 8:08 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Richard,
There are an infinite number of different monads, since
the world is filled with them and each is a
different perspective on the whole of the rest.
Not only that, but they keep changing, as
all life does.
Roger Clough, [email protected]
8/23/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
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Onward!
Stephen
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~ Francis Bacon
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