Roger, The Church has gone beyond Acquinas. It has a mechanism for evolving. Fundamentalist churches and temples and mosques have no such mechanism. Do not call me dishonest. I am still waiting for a link to where Leibniz himself says there is a supreme monad. That concept does not appear in his Monadology. Richard
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Richard you are dishonest, especially if you are a catholic. I have posted > this statement from Aquinas' Summa > (like a bible to the catholic faith) to you previously. God is intelligence > itself: > > http://dhspriory.org/thomas/Compendium.htm#31 > > > "CHAPTER 31 > > IDENTITY BETWEEN GOD AND HIS INTELLIGENCE > > God must be His own intelligence. Since “to understand” is second act, for > example, to consider, whereas the corresponding first act is the intellect > or knowledge, > > any intellect that is not its own understanding is related to its > understanding as potency to act. For in the order of potencies and acts, > what is first > > is always potential with respect to what follows, and what is last is > perfective. This is true only with reference to one and the same being, for > among > > different beings the converse obtains; thus a mover and an agent are related > to the thing moved and actuated as act to potency. In God, however, who is > pure act, there is nothing that is related to anything else as potency to > act. Accordingly God must be His own intelligence. > > Furthermore, the intellect is related to its act of understanding as essence > is related to existence. But God understands through His essence, > > and His essence is His existence. Therefore His intellect is His act of > understanding. And thus no composition is attributed to Him by the fact that > > He understands, since in Him intellect and understanding and intelligible > species are not distinct; and these in turn are nothing else than His > essence." > > > > This also applies to the supreme monad. > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 9/6/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Stephen P. King > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-06, 07:35:30 > Subject: Re: Two "Leibnizian" proofs that God has the power of > self-reference > > Dear Richard, > > Would it be a heresy to consider that God could have partial but > not complete self-reference? > > On 9/6/2012 7:24 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> The Roman Catholic Church believes that god has intention but not >> intelligence in agreement with Arithemetical Truth and neo-Platonism >> concept that self-reference is not possible for god. >> >> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> Since Leibniz's metaphysics is perfectly logical, any logical >>> proposition is true of his metaphysics. >>> >>> >>> Two "Leibnizian" proofs that God has the power of self-reference >>> >>> 1. All monads with intellect can presumably have self-reference. >>> 2. God is also a monad with intellect, being the supreme monad. >>> 3. Therefore God has the power of self-reference >>> >>> 1. God is all-powerful (can do anything). >>> 2. Self-reference is a power. >>> 3. Therefore God has the power of self-reference. >>> >>> > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
