On 01 Oct 2012, at 02:02, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/30/2012 4:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
You aren't seeing my point that if human designers are nothing but
evolved systems, then they must have the same limitations as
evolution itself, unless you can explain why they wouldn't.
More nothing buttery. If people are just atoms they must have the
same limitations as atoms.
Good (ironical) remark.
The whole *is* very often more than the parts. Non Löbian entities can
create/emulate the Löbian entities. That is why we can take a very
simple whole as ontology, be it a tiny arithmetic without induction
axioms, or a differential equation (like SWE), and then interview the
Löbian entities appearing there.
This is what make explanations possible. Many seem to want matter and
consciousness primitive, because they don't accept that we can explain
them from non material and non conscious things. But we can do that,
even if that includes some part necessarily obscure, for logical
reason, as there is an arithmetical blind spot for arithmetical
creatures.
Bruno
Brent
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