On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <
multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Stephen, Bruno, and Jason,
> Do I understand correctly that comp requires a relative measure on the set
> of all partial computable functions and that for Steven "Both abstractions,
> such as numbers and their truths, and physical worlds must emerge together
> from a primitive ground which is neutral in that it has no innate
> properties at all other that necessary possibility. It merely exists."
> If so, naively I ask then: Why is beauty, in the imho non-chimeric sense
> posed by Plotinus in Ennead I.6 "On Beauty", not a candidate for
> approximating that set, or for describing that "which has no innate
> properties"?
> Here the translation from Steven MacKenna:
> http://eawc.evansville.edu/anthology/beauty.htm
> Because, what drew me to Zuckerman was just a chance find on youtube...
> and seeing "Infinite descending chains, decorations, self-reference etc."
> all tied together in a set theory context, I didn't think "Wow, that's
> true" but simply "hmm, that's nice, maybe they'll elaborate a more precise
> frame." I know, people want to keep separate art and science. But I am
> agnostic on this as composing and playing music just bled into engineering
> and mathematical problems and solutions, as well as programming and the
> computer on their own. I apologize in advance, if this is off-topic as I
> find the discussion here fascinating and hate interrupting it.
> Mark


To what extent does beauty exist in the mind of the beholder?  As Dennet
points out ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzN-uIVkfjg&t=3m29s ) what we
find sweet, beautiful, or cute, we do so because our brains are wired in a
particular way.

Some find certain properties of scientific theories or mathematical proofs
to be particularly beautiful.  When they are short, surprising, elegant,
deep, etc.  These may or not be attributes of the true TOE.  If they are,
then we some might say "that which is the ground for all existence is
beautiful", and some others might take it further and say "beauty is is the
ground of existence".

Whether or not we could ever take it beyond that metaphor, I am less
certain.  It may require a rigorous and objective definition of beauty


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