Hi Bruno Marchal  

Sorry, I lost the thread on the doctor, and don't know what Craig believes 
about the p-zombie.


"A philosophical zombie or p-zombie in the philosophy of mind and perception is 
a hypothetical being 
that is indistinguishable from a normal human being except in that it lacks 
conscious experience, qualia, or sentience.[1] When a zombie is poked with a 
sharp object, for example, it does not feel any pain though it behaves 
exactly as if it does feel pain (it may say "ouch" and recoil from the 
stimulus, or tell us that it is in intense pain)."

My guess is that this is the solipsism issue, to which I would say that if it 
has no mind, it cannot converse with you,
which would be a test for solipsism,-- which I just now found in typing the 
first part of this sentence.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 

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From: Bruno Marchal  
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Time: 2012-10-17, 08:57:36 
Subject: Re: Is consciousness just an emergent property of 
overlycomplexcomputations ? 

On 16 Oct 2012, at 15:33, Stephen P. King wrote: 

On 10/16/2012 9:20 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 

Hi Stephen P. King  

Thanks. My mistake was to say that P's position is that 
consciousness, arises at (or above ?)  
the level of noncomputability.  He just seems to 
say that intuiton does. But that just seems 
to be a conjecture of his. 

ugh, rclo...@verizon.net  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen  

Hi Roger, 

    IMHO, computability can only capture at most a "simulation" of the content 
of consciousness, but we can deduce a lot from that ... 

So you do say "no" to the doctor? And you do follow Craig on the existence of 



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