On 10/30/2012 2:50 PM, meekerdb wrote:
I think you are confusing the tokens "2 = 1+1" with the proposition 2
= 1+1. The former requires someone who understands the notation to
interpret it, but the latter is the interpretation, i.e. the concept.
A concept has meaning by definition, otherwise we say we cannot
conceptualize it, e.g. klognee flarbles myrable, and so there is
nothing to assign a truth value to.
Dear Brent,
What is it that distinguishes between tokens and propositions?
there is no meaning to the concept that the statement is true or
false. To insist that a statement has a meaning and is true (or
false) in an ontological condition where no entities capable of
judging the meaning, begs the question of meaningfulness!
That sounds like idealism, but whatever it is sll theories that will
explain the world to us are going to have to apply to times and places
where there are no humans. So I guess the question is whether 2=1+1
means to you what it means to the rest of us. If it does it can be
part of our explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism
"In philosophy, idealism is the group of philosophies which assert that
reality, or reality as we can know it, is fundamentally mental, mentally
constructed, or otherwise immaterial. Epistemologically, idealism
manifests as a skepticism about the possibility of knowing any
mind-independent thing. ... As an ontological doctrine, idealism goes
further, asserting that all entities are composed of mind or spirit.[2]
Idealism thus rejects physicalist and dualist theories that fail to
ascribe priority to the mind. An extreme version of this idealism can
exist in the philosophical notion of solipsism."
Does that seem like what I am claiming? NO! That is the wiki
definition of Idealism, and I agree with that definition and its
implications and I reject idealism.
Brent
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Onward!
Stephen
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