On 10/30/2012 2:27 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/30/2012 5:15 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/30/2012 1:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
What is it that distinguishes between tokens and propositions?
Tokens are the physical elements (e.g. letters, words, sounds) that are used to
represent a proposition in a particular language.
What determines the map between the letters, words, sounds and the content of
The proposition is the abstracted meaning which is independent of particular
Does this independence do so far as to disallow for an arbitrary physical entity to
know of it? Independence of abstractions from particular individuals is not independence
So "Zwei est ein und ein." are tokens expressing the same proposition as "Two equals
one plus one." which is that 2=1+1.
Which 'that' do you refer to, the tokens or the proposition.
is true only because multiple persons came to believe that it is true
You previously agreed that one person alone could come to know that 2=1+1 or 17 is prime
and express it symbolically, i.e. in tokens. So multiple persons are only necessary in
order for the tokens to be used for communicating from one to another; which is the case
whether the thing communicated is true or false.
and acted to cause it to be true. Remove one person from the multiplicity and the
meaning still is there. Remove all of them and the meaning vanishes.
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