On 10/30/2012 2:27 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/30/2012 5:15 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/30/2012 1:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:

 Dear Brent,

    What is it that distinguishes between tokens and propositions?

Tokens are the physical elements (e.g. letters, words, sounds) that are used to represent a proposition in a particular language.

What determines the map between the letters, words, sounds and the content of propositions?

The proposition is the abstracted meaning which is independent of particular 
language.

Does this independence do so far as to disallow for an arbitrary physical entity to know of it? Independence of abstractions from particular individuals is not independence from all.

So "Zwei est ein und ein." are tokens expressing the same proposition as "Two equals one plus one." which is that 2=1+1.

    That

Which 'that' do you refer to, the tokens or the proposition.

is true only because multiple persons came to believe that it is true

You previously agreed that one person alone could come to know that 2=1+1 or 17 is prime and express it symbolically, i.e. in tokens. So multiple persons are only necessary in order for the tokens to be used for communicating from one to another; which is the case whether the thing communicated is true or false.

Brent

and acted to cause it to be true. Remove one person from the multiplicity and the meaning still is there. Remove all of them and the meaning vanishes.


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