Hi Alberto G. Corona I'm much indebted to you for bringing this very important observation to my attention.
I need very badly to study the issue and am starting right now. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/6/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-06, 05:21:48 Subject: Re: WHY FREE WILL IS A BOGUS ISSUE Roger: That? right The modern notion of free will is a nominalist one. It redefine free will in physicalist terms, when in reality it was a realist question of whether I have moral judgement between good and evil and either if I can choose between them.? Of course, in nominalist terms, good, evil morals etc have no meaning. So that? why concepts like free will were reduced to physicalist terms- But these redefintions, like the one of free will are in terms of physical laws is almost meaningless and no doubt, self contradictory. Other concepts, like ?ood, evil, morals etc, that could? be reduced, were relegated to a individual irrational sphere. This is the era of the false?ichotomy?etween is and ought. Because the most fundamental questions for practical life were denied to rational discussion, they were delegated to demagoges, revolutionaries, and various kinds of saviors of countries and planets. ?he results are the never ending waves of?otalitarianisms?ithin Modernity. 2012/11/6 Roger Clough Free will is a bogus issue, something akin to asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Why ? Because in biology at least, the will of any entity only needs to carry out what the entity desires, to survive. If it can't, the entity will die and not be tend to be reproduced. Case closed. If you accordingly include desire with will, then you have the the more meaningful issue of self-determination, meaning that the entity can determine and achieve what it needs to survive. In philosophy, since ancient times, this force to survive and actualize the entity's possibilities (another term for evolution) is called entelechy. So what I am saying is nothing new. So it's of no consequence IMHO to question whether we have free will or not. The proper issue to debate is whether self-determination is possible. ?y self I include everything inside the entities' skin or shell. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 11/6/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-05, 16:50:36 Subject: Re: Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out oftheir movements So what? If you convinced someone that life is not worth living, then they would be more likely to commit suicide. I don't think this result really adds anything too profound... On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 12:57:23PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: > Hi, > > Let me throw something into the conversation. Craig may have > linked this previously, but it needs closed inspection IMHO. > Attention John Clark! > > "Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out of > their movements > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
