Hi Alberto G. Corona If there are physical laws in the universe, such as gravity, quantum mechanics and electromagnetism, as well as dark energy, these laws must be universal or else there would be chaos. There could be no science. That fact refutes the nominalist position that universals do not exist.
These laws are truths, so truths are universal. Being so, they exist apart from human minds. Physics thus tells us that a falling tree will make a sound even if nobody is there to witness the event. Because existence then is independent of mind (the realist position), This also refutes Berkeley's position that things exist because we perceive them. And the Ten Commandments, if they exist, exist independent of us. If evil is the diminishment of life and good the enhancement of it, evil and good have real effects and so are real, whether you believe in them or not. Roger Clough, [email protected] 11/6/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-06, 06:02:52 Subject: Re: WHY FREE WILL IS A BOGUS ISSUE This is the same with some corrections of my bad dyslexic English The modern notion of free will is a?nominalist?one. It redefine free will in physicalist terms, when it ever was a?realist?question of whether I have moral judgement between good and evil and either if I can choose between them.? ?f course, in the modern, secularized version of Nominalism, called?Positivism, good, evil morals etc have no meaning. So that? why concepts like free will were reduced to?physicalist?terms. The problem is that these redefinitions, like the one of free will, in terms of physical laws are almost meaningless and no doubt, self contradictory.? Other concepts, like good, evil, morals etc, that could not be reduced, were relegated to a individual irrational sphere. Because these?rreducible?oncepts were involved in the most fundamental questions for practical life, and these concepts were denied to rational discussion, they were delegated t?emagogues, revolutionaries, and various kinds of saviors of countries and planets. This is the era of the false dichotomy between is and ought. The results are the never ending waves of totalitarianisms within Modernity. 2012/11/6 Alberto G. Corona Roger: That? right The modern notion of free will is a nominalist one. It redefine free will in physicalist terms, when in reality it was a realist question of whether I have moral judgement between good and evil and either if I can choose between them.? Of course, in nominalist terms, good, evil morals etc have no meaning. So that? why concepts like free will were reduced to physicalist terms- But these redefintions, like the one of free will are in terms of physical laws is almost meaningless and no doubt, self contradictory. Other concepts, like ?ood, evil, morals etc, that could? be reduced, were relegated to a individual irrational sphere. This is the era of the false?ichotomy?etween is and ought. Because the most fundamental questions for practical life were denied to rational discussion, they were delegated to demagoges, revolutionaries, and various kinds of saviors of countries and planets. ?he results are the never ending waves of?otalitarianisms?ithin Modernity. 2012/11/6 Roger Clough Free will is a bogus issue, something akin to asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Why ? Because in biology at least, the will of any entity only needs to carry out what the entity desires, to survive. If it can't, the entity will die and not be tend to be reproduced. Case closed. If you accordingly include desire with will, then you have the the more meaningful issue of self-determination, meaning that the entity can determine and achieve what it needs to survive. In philosophy, since ancient times, this force to survive and actualize the entity's possibilities (another term for evolution) is called entelechy. So what I am saying is nothing new. So it's of no consequence IMHO to question whether we have free will or not. The proper issue to debate is whether self-determination is possible. ?y self I include everything inside the entities' skin or shell. Roger Clough, [email protected] 11/6/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-05, 16:50:36 Subject: Re: Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out oftheir movements So what? If you convinced someone that life is not worth living, then they would be more likely to commit suicide. I don't think this result really adds anything too profound... On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 12:57:23PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: > Hi, > > Let me throw something into the conversation. Craig may have > linked this previously, but it needs closed inspection IMHO. > Attention John Clark! > > "Debunking people's belief in free will takes the intention out of > their movements > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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