On 06 Nov 2012, at 17:45, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Hi Roger,
If you want to read him that trivially, go ahead. The constant,
eternal revaluation of all values. This is just implied by asking
"what's going on?".
And yes, this is gently consistent with never ending platonic
questioning + a popper style negation, even humor, on his own
statements, that they are wrong, that they not be overly
concretized. Nietzsche never "taught his own ideas", although he was
active academically very early.
If you'd open a single page, you'd see how conflicted he was about
the transmission of fruits of introspection. But I wouldn't want to
offend you with any of that, or that I think he anticipated the
computer + its consequences more than once, as you already have made
up your mind in a rather discriminatory fashion without reading the
man/machine in his native language, so...
I am not merely a platonist: also guitar cowboy and dance and jam in
every realm I can and keep my platonism in check with my sense of
groove and swing + good steak, now and then. I have a taste for the
Dionysian joys, for colors, and richness, variety as much as I love
Platonia.
But Platonia, in this abstract technical sense you imply, is pretty
joyless and dull. Nietzsche is good antidote for that. On Kant he
mused once: "What kind of a soul must build such an unassailable
fortress of thought? What is it distracting itself from, building
these labyrinths of descriptive power for a group of disciples it
will never admit to itself, that it vainly wants to have? For why
else build such fortresses?"
For these reason I'd suggest for you to not read him, especially not
in German. Right on with "garbage he taught", would be the first
thing he'd admit and laugh.
It does look we agree that Nietzsche was a poet with a deep talent. I
read "Also Sprach Zarathustra", in german and in french, and I love
it, but, later, rereading it, I got a feeling of uneasiness. I got it
also with many people idolatring Nietzche, or taking granted what he
said, I dunno.
It might be, correct me if I am wrong, a sort of remanent atheism in
the work, or perhaps it is, like with art, just a question of taste.
May be I have unconsciously rely his "uber mensh" with what happened
in WW II.
I certainly do appreciare Richard Strauss "Also Sprach Zarathustra",
but that's thanks to "2001 Space Odyssey", plausibly!
Bruno
PGC
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
So what ? I have no stomach for the revaluation
of all values and the other garbage Nietzsche
taught. If you are truly a platonist, you would
agree with me.
Roger Clough, [email protected]
11/6/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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Hi Roger,
So what?
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
By poet, I suspect that Bruno was attesting to
Nietzsche's ability to think in terms of metaphors
(such as Apollo and Dionysius in his "Genealogy of Morals." )
Roger Clough, [email protected]
11/6/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Bruno Marchal ?rote:
On 05 Nov 2012, at 13:43, Roger Clough wrote:
Shades of Nietzsche ! Tell me it isn't so !
No, it is not so. No worry to have. I am glad we share some
uneasiness with Nietzche. I take it for a great poet, but a bad
philosopher.
?
Then your German is better than mine, as a native speaker. Having
enough distance and humor for one's own statements doesn't come
through much in the translations. I don't think he ever took himself
"seriously" as a philosopher, and he often pokes subtly fun at the
notion.
Ok, I'll get back to the herd then :)
Cowboy
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