Hi Richard Ruquist 

That's just my point.  You can't have quantum gravity
unless it emerged from mind ior universal intelligence.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.


[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
11/15/2012 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

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Time: 2012-11-12, 08:55:09
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Hi Roger Clough,

Actually the action of mathematical physics gives "everything" the
reason to live.
As Hawking says, there is "no need for god if you got quantum gravity".

I confess to giving cosmic consciousness a reason to live.
http://vixra.org/pdf/1101.0044v1.pdf

Hopefully, a benevolent, understanding, tolerant and forgiving consciousness,
that somehow chooses the best universe from an infinitude of mental
possibilities,
according to Leibniz...

But physical Nature can be stern and unforgiving.
Life as we know it will eventually disappear from earth,
for cosmic reasons later, if not human reasons sooner..

Richard Ruquist



On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Stephen P. King
>
> Leibniz thought that everything needs a sufficient reason to
> exist as it does. Thus all of the parts of the universe have
> a sufficient reason to be (as they are). I don't know how to
> explain that by anything other than the the "God" hypothesis.
>
>
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 11/12/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>
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> On 11/10/2012 6:01 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>> Hi Stephen P. King
>>
>> There's no mystery. That's presumably how a machine packed
>> them during manufacture.
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> The order of the crackers has a cause, some physical process lead
> to the order. When we are considering ontological models and theories
> and using ideas that depend on epistemological knowledge, it is easy to
> fall into regress. I have found that regress can be controlled and there
> is even a nice mathematical theory that uses regressive sets - sets that
> have no least member and sets that have themselves as a member, but any
> time that we claim a 'cut off' there has to be sufficient reasons for it.
>
>>
>> er Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
>> 11/10/2012
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>
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>>
>> On 11/9/2012 11:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>>> Hi Stephen P. King
>>>
>>> Get a box of crackers with the crackers all lined perfectly up inside.
>> No explanation at all is given as to how the cracker got to be
>> "perfectly lined up". ... Right.
>>
>>> That's Platonia.
>>>
>>> Now invert the box and let the crackers fall, scattering on the
>>> floor and some even breaking. That's our contingent world.
>>>
>>> Nobody knows why, but that's the way time works.
>>
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