Hi Richard Ruquist and Bruno,

There is (infinite) regress in physical nature, but not in mind, because
mind is non-existent (not created). 



[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
11/15/2012 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

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Time: 2012-11-12, 11:46:34
Subject: Re: the "God" hypothesis


On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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> On 12 Nov 2012, at 15:55, Richard Ruquist wrote:
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>> Hi Roger Clough,
>>
>> Actually the action of mathematical physics gives "everything" the
>> reason to live.
>> As Hawking says, there is "no need for god if you got quantum gravity".
>>
>> I confess to giving cosmic consciousness a reason to live.
>> http://vixra.org/pdf/1101.0044v1.pdf
>>
>> Hopefully, a benevolent, understanding, tolerant and forgiving
>> consciousness,
>> that somehow chooses the best universe from an infinitude of mental
>> possibilities,
>> according to Leibniz...
>>
>> But physical Nature can be stern and unforgiving.
>> Life as we know it will eventually disappear from earth,
>> for cosmic reasons later, if not human reasons sooner..
>
>
> Yes, life as we know it, but not necessarily life as we don't know it.

Yes. My reasoning is incomplete as all reasonings should be.
>
> Bruno
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>>
>> Richard Ruquist
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>> Hi Stephen P. King
>>>
>>> Leibniz thought that everything needs a sufficient reason to
>>> exist as it does. Thus all of the parts of the universe have
>>> a sufficient reason to be (as they are). I don't know how to
>>> explain that by anything other than the the "God" hypothesis.
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
>>> 11/12/2012
>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>>
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>>> On 11/10/2012 6:01 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Stephen P. King
>>>>
>>>> There's no mystery. That's presumably how a machine packed
>>>> them during manufacture.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Roger,
>>>
>>> The order of the crackers has a cause, some physical process lead
>>> to the order. When we are considering ontological models and theories
>>> and using ideas that depend on epistemological knowledge, it is easy to
>>> fall into regress. I have found that regress can be controlled and there
>>> is even a nice mathematical theory that uses regressive sets - sets that
>>> have no least member and sets that have themselves as a member, but any
>>> time that we claim a 'cut off' there has to be sufficient reasons for it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> er Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
>>>> 11/10/2012
>>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On 11/9/2012 11:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Stephen P. King
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a box of crackers with the crackers all lined perfectly up inside.
>>>>
>>>> No explanation at all is given as to how the cracker got to be
>>>> "perfectly lined up". ... Right.
>>>>
>>>>> That's Platonia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now invert the box and let the crackers fall, scattering on the
>>>>> floor and some even breaking. That's our contingent world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody knows why, but that's the way time works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>> Stephen
>>>>
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