Hi Stephen Hawking,

So quantum gravity was designed and created by 
mindless, random, brute forces ? Or came out 
of nothing at all, not even intelligence, not even
an idea or form ? Not even the tooth fairy ?

This nonsense you apparently believe shows
that materialistic thinking can cause brain damage.

 
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
11/15/2012 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

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Time: 2012-11-12, 10:56:40
Subject: Re: the "God" hypothesis


On 12 Nov 2012, at 15:55, Richard Ruquist wrote:

> Hi Roger Clough,
>
> Actually the action of mathematical physics gives "everything" the
> reason to live.
> As Hawking says, there is "no need for god if you got quantum 
> gravity".
>
> I confess to giving cosmic consciousness a reason to live.
> http://vixra.org/pdf/1101.0044v1.pdf
>
> Hopefully, a benevolent, understanding, tolerant and forgiving 
> consciousness,
> that somehow chooses the best universe from an infinitude of mental
> possibilities,
> according to Leibniz...
>
> But physical Nature can be stern and unforgiving.
> Life as we know it will eventually disappear from earth,
> for cosmic reasons later, if not human reasons sooner..

Yes, life as we know it, but not necessarily life as we don't know it.

Bruno



>
> Richard Ruquist
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> 
> wrote:
>> Hi Stephen P. King
>>
>> Leibniz thought that everything needs a sufficient reason to
>> exist as it does. Thus all of the parts of the universe have
>> a sufficient reason to be (as they are). I don't know how to
>> explain that by anything other than the the "God" hypothesis.
>>
>>
>> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
>> 11/12/2012
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>
>>
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>>
>> On 11/10/2012 6:01 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>>> Hi Stephen P. King
>>>
>>> There's no mystery. That's presumably how a machine packed
>>> them during manufacture.
>>
>> Hi Roger,
>>
>> The order of the crackers has a cause, some physical process lead
>> to the order. When we are considering ontological models and theories
>> and using ideas that depend on epistemological knowledge, it is 
>> easy to
>> fall into regress. I have found that regress can be controlled and 
>> there
>> is even a nice mathematical theory that uses regressive sets - sets 
>> that
>> have no least member and sets that have themselves as a member, but 
>> any
>> time that we claim a 'cut off' there has to be sufficient reasons 
>> for it.
>>
>>>
>>> er Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
>>> 11/10/2012
>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/9/2012 11:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>>>> Hi Stephen P. King
>>>>
>>>> Get a box of crackers with the crackers all lined perfectly up 
>>>> inside.
>>> No explanation at all is given as to how the cracker got to be
>>> "perfectly lined up". ... Right.
>>>
>>>> That's Platonia.
>>>>
>>>> Now invert the box and let the crackers fall, scattering on the
>>>> floor and some even breaking. That's our contingent world.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody knows why, but that's the way time works.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
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