Hi Stephen Hawking, So quantum gravity was designed and created by mindless, random, brute forces ? Or came out of nothing at all, not even intelligence, not even an idea or form ? Not even the tooth fairy ?
This nonsense you apparently believe shows that materialistic thinking can cause brain damage. [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] 11/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-12, 10:56:40 Subject: Re: the "God" hypothesis On 12 Nov 2012, at 15:55, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Hi Roger Clough, > > Actually the action of mathematical physics gives "everything" the > reason to live. > As Hawking says, there is "no need for god if you got quantum > gravity". > > I confess to giving cosmic consciousness a reason to live. > http://vixra.org/pdf/1101.0044v1.pdf > > Hopefully, a benevolent, understanding, tolerant and forgiving > consciousness, > that somehow chooses the best universe from an infinitude of mental > possibilities, > according to Leibniz... > > But physical Nature can be stern and unforgiving. > Life as we know it will eventually disappear from earth, > for cosmic reasons later, if not human reasons sooner.. Yes, life as we know it, but not necessarily life as we don't know it. Bruno > > Richard Ruquist > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Hi Stephen P. King >> >> Leibniz thought that everything needs a sufficient reason to >> exist as it does. Thus all of the parts of the universe have >> a sufficient reason to be (as they are). I don't know how to >> explain that by anything other than the the "God" hypothesis. >> >> >> Roger Clough, [email protected] >> 11/12/2012 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Stephen P. King >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2012-11-10, 12:28:31 >> Subject: Re: Communicability >> >> >> On 11/10/2012 6:01 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>> Hi Stephen P. King >>> >>> There's no mystery. That's presumably how a machine packed >>> them during manufacture. >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> The order of the crackers has a cause, some physical process lead >> to the order. When we are considering ontological models and theories >> and using ideas that depend on epistemological knowledge, it is >> easy to >> fall into regress. I have found that regress can be controlled and >> there >> is even a nice mathematical theory that uses regressive sets - sets >> that >> have no least member and sets that have themselves as a member, but >> any >> time that we claim a 'cut off' there has to be sufficient reasons >> for it. >> >>> >>> er Clough, [email protected] >>> 11/10/2012 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>> >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Stephen P. King >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2012-11-09, 13:32:23 >>> Subject: Re: Communicability >>> >>> >>> On 11/9/2012 11:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >>>> Hi Stephen P. King >>>> >>>> Get a box of crackers with the crackers all lined perfectly up >>>> inside. >>> No explanation at all is given as to how the cracker got to be >>> "perfectly lined up". ... Right. >>> >>>> That's Platonia. >>>> >>>> Now invert the box and let the crackers fall, scattering on the >>>> floor and some even breaking. That's our contingent world. >>>> >>>> Nobody knows why, but that's the way time works. >>> >>> -- >>> Onward! >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> Onward! >> >> Stephen >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything- >> [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything- >> [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >> . >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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