Isn't your god an observer?
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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> Time: 2012-12-01, 18:00:16
> Subject: Re: Against Mechanism
> On 12/1/2012 12:52 PM, John Clark wrote:
>> Again there is nothing special about an observer in this, the same thing
>> would happen if nobody looked at the film, or even if you used a brick wall
>> instead of film, because the important thing is not that the photon makes a
>> record (whatever that is) but simply that it is destroyed.
>> > But you can do the experiment with electrons too, and the electrons are
>> > not destroyed.
> Good point. If electrons are used in the two-split experiment a brick wall
> probably wouldn't do, you'd need a metal wall. Brick is a pretty good
> insulator so you'd end up with 2 small negatively charged spots on the wall
> in slightly different places;
> How would you get two charged spots? Would each have charge -e/2? The
> experiment was originally done with photographic film, so that each electron
> ionized a silver halide atom resulting in a silver spot on the film. Now
> it's usually down is some kind of detector that amplifies the effect of each
> electron. Neither one has anything to do with destroying the electron.
> the walls would not be the same and so the 2 universes would not be the same
> and so they would not merge. However if it was a metal wall the electrons
> would just join the general sea of free electrons in the metal and there is
> no way even in theory to tell one electron from another. So the walls would
> have the same charge and mass.
> But in an entangled electron pair experiment (EPR type) detecting the path
> of one electron destroys the interference pattern on the other leg. But
> also just absorbing one electron destroys the interference on the other leg.
> To maintain the interference you have to absorb the electron at the focal
> point of a lens so that you not only don't detect the which-way information,
> you erase it.
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