Roger, Isn't your god an observer? Richard
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > > > One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. > > > [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > 12/3/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: meekerdb > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-01, 18:00:16 > Subject: Re: Against Mechanism > > On 12/1/2012 12:52 PM, John Clark wrote: >> >> Again there is nothing special about an observer in this, the same thing >> would happen if nobody looked at the film, or even if you used a brick wall >> instead of film, because the important thing is not that the photon makes a >> record (whatever that is) but simply that it is destroyed. >> >> >> > But you can do the experiment with electrons too, and the electrons are >> > not destroyed. > > > Good point. If electrons are used in the two-split experiment a brick wall > probably wouldn't do, you'd need a metal wall. Brick is a pretty good > insulator so you'd end up with 2 small negatively charged spots on the wall > in slightly different places; > > > How would you get two charged spots? Would each have charge -e/2? The > experiment was originally done with photographic film, so that each electron > ionized a silver halide atom resulting in a silver spot on the film. Now > it's usually down is some kind of detector that amplifies the effect of each > electron. Neither one has anything to do with destroying the electron. > > the walls would not be the same and so the 2 universes would not be the same > and so they would not merge. However if it was a metal wall the electrons > would just join the general sea of free electrons in the metal and there is > no way even in theory to tell one electron from another. So the walls would > have the same charge and mass. > > > But in an entangled electron pair experiment (EPR type) detecting the path > of one electron destroys the interference pattern on the other leg. But > also just absorbing one electron destroys the interference on the other leg. > To maintain the interference you have to absorb the electron at the focal > point of a lens so that you not only don't detect the which-way information, > you erase it. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
