RC,
So the entire universe can be in 1p at all times.
RR

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Richard Ruquist
>
> Yes, God is the supreme observer. See Leibniz.
> The supreme monad sees all clearly.
>
>
> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> 12/3/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>
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> Time: 2012-12-03, 05:59:05
> Subject: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
>
> Roger,
>
> Isn't your god an observer?
> Richard
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
>>
>>
>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>> 12/3/2012
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>
>>
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>> Time: 2012-12-01, 18:00:16
>> Subject: Re: Against Mechanism
>>
>> On 12/1/2012 12:52 PM, John Clark wrote:
>>>
>>> Again there is nothing special about an observer in this, the same thing
>>> would happen if nobody looked at the film, or even if you used a brick
>>> wall
>>> instead of film, because the important thing is not that the photon makes
>>> a
>>> record (whatever that is) but simply that it is destroyed.
>>>
>>>
>>> > But you can do the experiment with electrons too, and the electrons are
>>> > not destroyed.
>>
>>
>> Good point. If electrons are used in the two-split experiment a brick wall
>> probably wouldn't do, you'd need a metal wall. Brick is a pretty good
>> insulator so you'd end up with 2 small negatively charged spots on the
>> wall
>> in slightly different places;
>>
>>
>> How would you get two charged spots? Would each have charge -e/2? The
>> experiment was originally done with photographic film, so that each
>> electron
>> ionized a silver halide atom resulting in a silver spot on the film. Now
>> it's usually down is some kind of detector that amplifies the effect of
>> each
>> electron. Neither one has anything to do with destroying the electron.
>>
>> the walls would not be the same and so the 2 universes would not be the
>> same
>> and so they would not merge. However if it was a metal wall the electrons
>> would just join the general sea of free electrons in the metal and there
>> is
>> no way even in theory to tell one electron from another. So the walls
>> would
>> have the same charge and mass.
>>
>>
>> But in an entangled electron pair experiment (EPR type) detecting the path
>> of one electron destroys the interference pattern on the other leg. But
>> also just absorbing one electron destroys the interference on the other
>> leg.
>> To maintain the interference you have to absorb the electron at the focal
>> point of a lens so that you not only don't detect the which-way
>> information,
>> you erase it.
>>
>> Brent
>>
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