On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be
>>> not much of an advantage in discerning intention to cause harm from a
>>> simple propensity to cause harm.
>> Free will is an illusion only if you define it in a logically impossible
>> way, neither determined nor random.
> Think of it this way. Determined and random are the two unintentional
> vectors which oppose the single intentional vector. Why is that so hard to
> conceptualize? You are using it right now to do the conceptualizing...
The dichotomy is intentional/unintentional, not
intentional/determined-or-random. It could be intentional and determined,
intentional and random, unintentional and determined or unintentional and
> This is why our brains don't give a rat's ass whether physical causes are
> ultimately random or determined, but discerning whether physical causes are
> intentional or unintentional us a matter of *the highest possible
Yes, that's what I have been saying. We care about whether something is
intentional or unintentional, and unless we are engaged in discussions such
as this we don't even consider whether the underlying physics is determined
> Can you see what I mean? Because I understand what you mean completely and
> see clearly that you have one eye shut and one hand tied behind your back.
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