Let's look at your suggestion. IF YOU (choose to) define it What does that mean? How does it work? It sounds like it isn't random right? So it must be determined? So are you saying "Free will is an illusion only if it is defined by forces utterly outside your control in a logically impossible way..." Well that doesn't make sense either, does it? Who is this YOU that you are talking to? Why do you think that the author of these words would have any more insight into how this 'YOU' might define something than the author of your words? The dichotomy of random vs determined is not the only possible logic, and it is not a useful logic for understanding participation and will. > Since everything is either determined or random, > It isn't. My choices are not determined, nor are they random. They are varying degrees of intentional and unintentional with deterministic and possibly random influences which are necessary but not sufficient to explain my causally efficacious solitude and agency. > if something appears to be neither then that must be an illusion. > Illusions are a figment of expectation. What you call an optical illusion, I call a living encyclopedia of visual perception and optics. Something can only be an illusion if you mistakenly interpret it as something else. > In any case, it is important to know if someone has intention to cause > harm because that may be indication he is more dangerous to you than > someone who causes harm accidentally. Whether the intention is driven by > deterministic or probabilistic processes in the brain is not really > relevant. > If intentional threats were deterministic or random then it would be indistinguishable from any number of naturally occurring threats. The prioritizing of intention specifically points to the importance of discerning the difference between threats caused by agents with voluntary control over their actions and random or deterministic unconscious physical processes. Think about it, Craig > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/NDStqkYX_M0J. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.