Hi Richard Ruquist 

The monads are not BEC's, because presumably BECs are physical.
Monads aren't


[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/11/2013 
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Subject: Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?


Well Roger,

Think of the number infinities that Bruno is always referencing to.

Think of the number infinities in terms of a
static MWI deterministic Block Universe BU.

The number infinities exist in the monad relationships
at various levels and places in monad space, the Mind space of the BU
One could speak of a static density of monad infinities in Mind space.

"A". Since it's mathematically true that matter evolves from these infinities,
The conjecture is that analog quantum waves and fields
are variations in the density of the infinities
of the monad number relationships.

"B". Many strong infinities may occupy a very small region of Mind space.
The conjecture is that they may become discrete particles
including physical particles, ie., the Mind space is both analog and digital.

Such strong infinities may also have the property of 1- dimensional flow.
Then the points of strong infinity in Mind space may couple to the flow.
resulting in a geometry suggestive of Indra's Net of Pearls.

The collapse problem is to get from A to B.
"A" happens in the analog Mind space
where the number infinities are continuous.

Since the monads in the Mind space are a BEC
where thoughts happen instantly for lack of friction,
we can imagine that the infinities could collapse instantly.

But mathematically it is necessary for all relevant infinities,
except those at the point of interaction,
to be normalized or cancelled.

Feynman metaphorically first quantized the monad number infinities.
That is, he allowed all the monad wave function infinities
to collapse to every possible quantum particle
that could be created by the interaction.
Apparently the Mind has the same ability.

He then cancelled all of these collapsed quantum particles but one
by allowing their anti-particles to come back from the future.
So only one particle becomes physical.

(If Feynman can renormalize QED, the Quantum Mind certainly can)

Because in a Block Universe there is no future.
There is no time or consciousness.
nothing is happening.

Or equivalently we can think of a Quasi-Block Universe QBU,
where everything happens instantly in a 1p perspective.
There is still no time or consciousness.

Time is created when "conscious free will" choices
force the BU to recalculate like your auto GPS.

The hard problem is knowing
where "conscious free will" comes from.

It could come from Godelian incompleteness
or it could come from biological complexity
exceeding the universal calculational capacity,

But in the end the magic of consciousness
requires a 1p leap of faith.


NB: if MWI is true all the cancelled quantum particles
continue to create measure as if they were never cancelled,
So it is one or the other.


yanniru





On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Richard Ruquist
>
> Sounds a little fantastic to me, but what do I know ?
>
>
> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> 1/10/2013
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> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>
>> On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:04, Roger Clough wrote:
>>
>>> Bruno,
>>>
>>> Another matter is that since the michaelson-morley experiment,
>>> space itself does not exist (is nonphysical).
>>
>>
>> Space-time remains physical, here.
>>
>>
>>> There is no aether.
>>> Electromagnetic waves propagate through nothing at all,
>>> suggesting to me, at least, that they, and their fields, are
>>> nonphysical.
>>
>>
>> Then all forces are non physical.
>>
>> But with comp nothing is physical in the sense I am guessing you are
>> using.
>> All *appearance* are, or should be explain, by (infinities of) discrete
>> number relations. The physical does not disappear, as it reappears as
>> stable
>> and constant observation pattern valid for all sound universal numbers.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>
> Can we say that physical particles are often localised volumes
> that are full of "infinities of discrete number relations"
> and that a "flux density of infinities" can flow between them.
> Or is that overboard?
> Richard
> points and lines
> word geometry?
>
>
>
>>
>>
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