BEC condensates may contain any kind of particle, not just physicsl particles. However, we presume that the mathematics is more or less the same for all BECs and therefore we can come to understand BECs with physical experiments. Presumably monads are particles, seeing that they are discrete and separate.

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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > The monads are not BEC's, because presumably BECs are physical. > Monads aren't > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/11/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-10, 11:47:26 > Subject: Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ? > > Well Roger, > > Think of the number infinities that Bruno is always referencing to. > > Think of the number infinities in terms of a > static MWI deterministic Block Universe BU. > > The number infinities exist in the monad relationships > at various levels and places in monad space, the Mind space of the BU > One could speak of a static density of monad infinities in Mind space. > > "A". Since it's mathematically true that matter evolves from these > infinities, > The conjecture is that analog quantum waves and fields > are variations in the density of the infinities > of the monad number relationships. > > "B". Many strong infinities may occupy a very small region of Mind space. > The conjecture is that they may become discrete particles > including physical particles, ie., the Mind space is both analog and > digital. > > Such strong infinities may also have the property of 1- dimensional flow. > Then the points of strong infinity in Mind space may couple to the flow. > resulting in a geometry suggestive of Indra's Net of Pearls. > > The collapse problem is to get from A to B. > "A" happens in the analog Mind space > where the number infinities are continuous. > > Since the monads in the Mind space are a BEC > where thoughts happen instantly for lack of friction, > we can imagine that the infinities could collapse instantly. > > But mathematically it is necessary for all relevant infinities, > except those at the point of interaction, > to be normalized or cancelled. > > Feynman metaphorically first quantized the monad number infinities. > That is, he allowed all the monad wave function infinities > to collapse to every possible quantum particle > that could be created by the interaction. > Apparently the Mind has the same ability. > > He then cancelled all of these collapsed quantum particles but one > by allowing their anti-particles to come back from the future. > So only one particle becomes physical. > > (If Feynman can renormalize QED, the Quantum Mind certainly can) > > Because in a Block Universe there is no future. > There is no time or consciousness. > nothing is happening. > > Or equivalently we can think of a Quasi-Block Universe QBU, > where everything happens instantly in a 1p perspective. > There is still no time or consciousness. > > Time is created when "conscious free will" choices > force the BU to recalculate like your auto GPS. > > The hard problem is knowing > where "conscious free will" comes from. > > It could come from Godelian incompleteness > or it could come from biological complexity > exceeding the universal calculational capacity, > > But in the end the magic of consciousness > requires a 1p leap of faith. > > > NB: if MWI is true all the cancelled quantum particles > continue to create measure as if they were never cancelled, > So it is one or the other. > > > yanniru > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> Sounds a little fantastic to me, but what do I know ? >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> 1/10/2013 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Richard Ruquist >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2013-01-09, 10:29:00 >> Subject: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ? >> >> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >>> >>> On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:04, Roger Clough wrote: >>> >>>> Bruno, >>>> >>>> Another matter is that since the michaelson-morley experiment, >>>> space itself does not exist (is nonphysical). >>> >>> >>> Space-time remains physical, here. >>> >>> >>>> There is no aether. >>>> Electromagnetic waves propagate through nothing at all, >>>> suggesting to me, at least, that they, and their fields, are >>>> nonphysical. >>> >>> >>> Then all forces are non physical. >>> >>> But with comp nothing is physical in the sense I am guessing you are >>> using. >>> All *appearance* are, or should be explain, by (infinities of) discrete >>> number relations. The physical does not disappear, as it reappears as >>> stable >>> and constant observation pattern valid for all sound universal numbers. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >> >> Can we say that physical particles are often localised volumes >> that are full of "infinities of discrete number relations" >> and that a "flux density of infinities" can flow between them. >> Or is that overboard? >> Richard >> points and lines >> word geometry? >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >>>> 1/9/2013 >>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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