On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:42:06 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> But in the end the magic of consciousness >> >> requires a 1p leap of faith. >> > >> > >> > And vice versa.That's because they are the same thing. Consciousness is >> > literally a leap across mechanism, computation, and physics. That is >> > what >> > free will is made of. Free will cheats. Cheating is free will. Math and >> > physics don't cheat because they are built from islands of meaning in a >> > vacuum. Cheating is a private agenda exercised publicly. >> > >> > It only makes sense that could be the case if 1p is primary, so that >> > laws >> > and certainties are circumstantial consequences arising from 1p and not >> > the >> > other way around. Experienced meaning is the plenum within which all >> > spatio-temporal-functional-substantial gaps are generated. >> > >> > Craig >> >> >> I have come around to agreeing with you > > > Nice! >> >> >> > Because in a Block Universe there is no future. >> > There is no time or consciousness. >> > nothing is happening. >> >> >> Only the 1p perspective is dynamic >> or causes dynamicism- changes in the Block Universe.
I should have mentioned that the Mind is a block universe but not necessarily the physical universe(s). > > > That does agree with me. I don't see a block universe, but I do see that 3p > is static slices of the totality of 1p. I might say that the uniformity of > that 3p static representation in reducing all 1p qualities to positions is > block like in it's consistency, but not in the sense of there being a > literal universe of all possibilities frozen in a spatial firmament like > memory locations. Once you have sense as the foundation, you don't need a > future which is fully realized, it can be the case that some aspects of some > futures are available sooner or later within specific experiences and > narratives. Your intuition of the future, for example, is helping you create > (or avoid) that future as much as it is a window into what has already > happened in 'the' future. The blocking is more like a 1p jet engine taking > in raw batter to cook into 3p pancakes than a wormhole drilling through an > eternal pancake. > > Speculation, obviously... just trying to show one way that sense can change > the assumptions which compel Block models. > > Craig > >> >> However, I suspect that the qauntum Mind >> uses a more or less constant flow of time >> out of convenience(;<) >> >> Richard >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/3x_JpsFl9o0J. >> > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/C-EZUTXmrI4J. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
