On Sunday, January 20, 2013 2:40:53 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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>  Hi Craig Weinberg 
>  
> So the world did not exist before man ?
>

The world existed before man, but not before experience. Man does not 
define all experience in the universe.
 

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> *Time:* 2013-01-20, 11:20:07
> *Subject:* Re: Is there an aether ?
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> On Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:20:32 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: 
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>> Hi Craig, 
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 4:37 AM, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>>> The whole worldview is built on the mistaken assumption that it is 
>>> possible for something to exist without sensory participation. When you 
>>> fail to factor that critically important physical reality into physics, 
>>> what you get is senseless fields and the absurdity of particle-waves and 
>>> aetheric emptiness full mass.
>>>
>>
>> Where does pure sense come from? Did it always exist? If so, how to 
>> explain that?
>>
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> "come from" is an experience within sense, as is 'exist'. Explanation is 
> how one sense experience is intentionally translated into another. 
>
> Sense pre-figures all concepts, all existence, all explanations, not out 
> of enigmatic mysticism but out of simple ontological definition. It is 
> simply not possible for anything to exist in any way (i.e. in any 'sense') 
> outside of sense. There has never been anything but sense.
>
>   Is pure sense unitary or plural? How do you explain the observable 
>> complexification of (this) universe?
>>
>
> Sense unifies plurality. The complexification of this universe is the 
> proliferation and elaboration of sense experiences. That is the motive of 
> sense. To make more and more and better sense.
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>>>
>>> What this does is push physics into a corner, so that everything beneath 
>>> the classical limit becomes a Platonic fantasy of spontaneous appearance, 
>>> and decoherence becomes the source of all coherence. It's tragically 
>>> obvious to me - faced with a cosmos filled with concrete sensory 
>>> appearances, of meaning and subjectivity, that we reach for its opposite - 
>>> meaningless abstractions of multi-dimensional topologies and multverses. 
>>> It's blind insanity. We are being led by the nose behind circular reasoning 
>>> and instrumental assumptions. 
>>>
>>> What if emptiness was actually empty? What if there is no such thing as 
>>> a particle-wave? What if decoherence is not a plausible cause for the 
>>> constellation of classical physics? Are the metaphysical assumptions of a 
>>> Universe from Nothing falsifiable?
>>>
>>
>> Are metaphysical assumptions ever falsifiable? Wouldn't they become 
>> scientific theories if they were? Are your assumptions falsifiable?
>>
>
> My assumptions require that we examine falsifiability itself in the 
> context of sense. I find that if we do so, falsifiability can be understood 
> as a function of privatizing public qualities, and publicizing private 
> qualities. In other words I am seeing the idea of objectivity itself from 
> an even more objective perspective. In that sense I am not trying to make a 
> theory which is consistent with any particular school of expectation, only 
> to observe and catalog the phenomenon itself.
>
> Craig
>  
>
>>    
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>>>
>>> We have to go back to the beginning. What are we using to measure 
>>> particles? What are we assuming about energy?
>>>
>>> Craig 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:14:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: 
>>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2013 8:48 AM, Laurent R Duchesne wrote: 
>>>>
>>>> Empty Space is not Empty! 
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=y4D6qY2c0Z8<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4D6qY2c0Z8>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> The so-called Higgs field is just another name for Einstein's 
>>>> gravitational aether. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No.  There's no gravitational aether.  Einstein never suggested such.  
>>>> And gravity doesn't depend on the Higgs field.
>>>>
>>>> Mass is the result of matter's field interactions within itself and the 
>>>> space in which it sits, hence, the Higgs mechanism. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You need to remember that it's mass-energy.  Photons gravitate even 
>>>> though they don't have rest mass.  Most of the mass of nucleons comes from 
>>>> the kinetic energy of the quarks bound by gluons, not the Higgs effect.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Particles can emerge anywhere and as needed, e.g., particle pair 
>>>> creation, but from where, and what do they feed from, creation ex nihilo? 
>>>> That seems like a physical impossibility. Anyway, why would we have 
>>>> wave-particle complementarity if it were not because matter depends on the 
>>>> substrate? Isn't this the reason why we need a Higgs mechanism? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wave-particle complementarity applies to massless particles too; 
>>>> Einstein got the Nobel prize for explaining the photo-electric effect.
>>>>
>>>> Brent
>>>>
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