Hi Roger, It's not going to work, but it's very nice of you to try to save me since you believe in it. My in-laws do the same :)
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Telmo Menezes > > There is also something called "centering prayer", which > Christians such as I can do and have done at least once. > It was helpful to do it in the prayer chamber of the National > Cathedral. > > There are various techniques of doing it. > But the general idea is to focus on God or Jesus and as > in TM say some short repetitive prayer, maybe just "Jesu... > Jesu....Jesu...". A mantra, essentially, except that you > are focusing or intendeing on Jesus -- or even better, > the cross, from which all things come from and go to. > > Eventually you will begin to feel that in a way you and Jesus > are doing it together, rather than just you. A unity, or > if not that, a feeling that you are actually not doing the prayer, > it is doing you. As long as you are doing it, you are not quite there > (in Jesus). But success is relative. You should at least feel peace and > love. > > > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > *Receiver:* everything-list <[email protected]> > *Time:* 2013-01-25, 11:22:51 > *Subject:* Re: meditation > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Telmo, >> >> >> On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Hi all, >>> >>> I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of >>> "oneness with the universe", "non separation", etc. >>> >>> Meditation is a process of quieting the mind. One could say reducing >>> it's complexity. Simpler states have more undistinguishable observer >>> moments. Could it be that what's happening is that the consciousness of the >>> successful meditator becomes identified with a larger set of states in the >>> multi-verse? >>> >>> Just the sketch of an idea, sorry for the lack of rigour. >>> >> >> It is a quite good insight. I think that something like that operates >> with dissociative substance (ketamine, salvinorin, ...). Apparently, they >> disconnect parts of the brain, so that the conscious part get its >> complexity reduced, and that might give a "view of the multiverse" (as in >> many salvia reports). >> >> The point of finding a (comp, or ensemble) TOE is when you get a theory >> rich enough (in universes/models), but not to much, for not becoming >> trivial. Then the point is that to get plural-realities, 爏ome probabilistic >> interference has to play a role in the elimination of some infinities. >> >> The relation is known in algebra (more equations, less solutions) and in >> logic (more axioms, less models). It is related with the Galois connection. >> > > For a long time I have this weird idea that I don't have the mathematica > sophistication to correctly express. The idea aplies to History, for > example. It's the notion that past event did not actually "happen" in the > common sense of the word, but are just valid solutions to a system of > equations that is restricted by current experience. So if we start doing > an燼rchaeological exploration we are going to find objects that are > consistent with previous civilisations, but this is just a solution to the > system of equations that is consistent with present reality. > > I'm not defending (not denying) this model of reality, but think it's an > interesting thought experiment. It puts the big bang in a new light: you're > just looking so far back in time that the simplest of solutions works -- > everything is concentrated on a single spot of zero complexity. � > � > >> >> Well, meditations might be enough, perhaps. Sleep leads also to >> dissociate state, simpler version of oneself, and the resulting strange >> "realities". >> > > Even the idea that we are unconscious during deep sleep does not convince > me. We could be conscious but without read/write access to our memories, so > how would we know afterwords? But maybe we are experiencing the same level > of consciousness as a bacteria. > � > >> >> It is related with the idea that brains acts like filter of consciousness >> (as opposed to producer of consciousness). >> > > Aldus Huxley talks about that in "Doors of Perception", but I'm sure you > know that! > � > >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Telmo. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>> . >>> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > *DreamMail* - Enjoy good email software www.dreammail.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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