On Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:05:00 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
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>  Hi Stephen P. King 
>  
> IMHO morals imply that you have somebody looking over your shoulder.
> So they are collective.
>

Interesting. In a sense I agree, but I also agree with Stephen that morals 
flow from the individual mind. The morals of the collective are 
internalized by the individual, but it is up to them, to some degree 
(depending on the context) whether they choose to champion or reject any 
particular moral impulse or 'ought'. You might, for instance, be born into 
a family with parents who are traditional in some ways, eccentric in 
others, with one radical sibling and one more conservative sibling...maybe 
you were in a progressive program within a restrictive school, within a 
suburban culture, within a progressive state... etc. As you navigate 
through it, your morality is shaped by your experiences, and those of your 
family and friends. In my case, the only person looking over my shoulder is 
me - morality is what is demanded of me by the absence of anyone looking 
over my shoulder.

Craig
 

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> *Time:* 2013-01-30, 13:44:45
> *Subject:* Re: The least and best means of controlling gun violence
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>   On 1/30/2013 12:41 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:09:49 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: 
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>>   
>> What is the least powerful means of controlling gun violence ?
>> By legal means, as if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
>>
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>  Just like if you outlaw biological weapons, then only outlaws will have 
> biological weapons. That's pretty much the idea of making things illegal.
>
>   
>> What is the most powerful means ?
>> By restablishing moral values in our homes, in our schools and in the 
>> media.
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> Moral values cannot be re-established by decree, only imitated voluntarily 
> by example.
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>     Morals flow from the individual mind. The collective has no morals.
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> Onward!
>
> Stephen
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