On Monday, February 4, 2013 12:01:38 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 01 Feb 2013, at 22:09, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> I have mentioned this before, but it keeps haunting me.
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> If geometry did not exist.
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> Could you invent it with mathematics alone?
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> And if you could do that...
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> Why would you?
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> For instance: A triangle can be defined mathematically in different ways, 
> but without the inherently geometric presentations of lines and angles, it 
> seems that all you could generate is a description of a set of values which 
> have the same relation as the values which would be present if a geometric 
> shape were measured or sampled from optical or tactile detections.
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> That is not to say that the list of mathematical definitions which satisfy 
> triangularity (a^2 + b^2 = c^2 for example), even an exhaustive list, would 
> suggest anything like the visible presence of a shape. All of the 
> mathematics can be done completely in the dark, and no realism of points, 
> plots, displays, manifolds, topologies, etc, ever need to literally appear 
> to anything. 
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> We don't know that.
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We don't know that we don't know that.

Craig 

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> Bruno
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> So why do they?
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> Craig
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