On 20 Feb 2013, at 22:38, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

if comp and the null hypothesis (everithing exist) is accepted, then a infinity of copies of you are now being kicked by a wild horse while being eaten by bugs in an ocean of acid.


That's correct.



So it does not matter what just a single copy of you is doing whatever ;)

That does not follow, because what a single copy does will influence the relative proportion of its consistent extensions.

You can take the lift, the stairs or jump out of the window. In all case you will survive. But with the lift and stairs, you have a high probability to feel nice and healthy when getting at the ground floor. If you jump out of the window, you might have a high probability to find yourself in a very painful situation, in some hospital. This can be argued in both QM, or directly in comp.

If your were right, it would make no sense to derive the physical laws from comp, and we would not been Turing emulable. Comp would be just false, by leading to too much white rabbits.

Bruno







2013/2/13 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>

On 13 Feb 2013, at 04:09, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
Consider the following thought experiment, called "The Duplicators":

At 1:00 PM tomorrow, you will be abducted by aliens. The aliens will tell you not to worry, that you won't be harmed but they wish to conduct some experiments on the subject of pain, which is unknown to them. These aliens possess technology far in advance of our own. They have the ability to scan
and replicate objects down to the atomic level and the aliens use this
technology to create an atom-for-atom duplicate of yourself, which they call you2. The aliens thank you for your assistance and return you unharmed back to your home by 5:00 PM. You ask them "What about the pain experiments?" and they hand you an informational pamphlet and quickly fly off. You read the
pamphlet which explains that a duplicate of you (you2) was created and
subjected to some rather terrible pain experiments, akin to what humans call torture and at the end of the experiment you2 was euthanized. You consider
this awful, but are nonetheless glad that they tortured your duplicate
rather than you.

Now consider the slightly different thought experiment, called "The
Restorers":

At 1:00 PM tomorrow, you will be abducted by aliens. Unlike the aliens with
the duplication technology (the duplicators), these aliens possess a
restorative technology. They can perfectly erase memories and all other physical traces to perfectly restore you to a previous state. The aliens
will tell you not to worry, that you won't be harmed but they wish to
conduct some experiments on the subject of pain, which is unknown to them. They then proceed to brutually torture you for many hours, conducting test after test on pain. Afterwards, they erase your memory of the torture and all traces of injury and stress from your body. When they are finished, you are atom-for-atom identical to how you were before the torture began. The aliens thank you for your assistance and return you unharmed back to your home by 5:00 PM. You ask them "What about the pain experiments?" and they
hand you an informational pamphlet and quickly fly off. You read the
pamphlet which explains that a duplicate of you (you2) was created and
subjected to some rather terrible pain experiments, akin to what humans call torture and at the end of the experiment you2 was euthenized. You consider
this awful, but are nonetheless glad that they tortured your duplicate
rather than you.

My questions for the list:

1. Do you consider yourself to have experienced the torture in the case of the Restorers, even though you no longer remember it? If not, why not.

2. If yes, do you consider yourself to have experienced the torture in the case of the Duplicators? If yes, please explain, if not, please explain.

3. If you could choose which aliens would abduct you, is there one you would
prefer?  If you have a preference, please provide some justification.

The two experiments are equivalent. Rationally, you should not have a
preference for either - though both are bad in that you experience
pain but then forget it.

OK, same answer (assuming comp).

If we assume non-comp, then the answer will be dependent on the theory of mind that we might propose.

Bruno





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