If there is an infinity of copies of you now being kicked by a wild horse,
when is there ever a single copy of yourself doing something?

Jason

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com>wrote:

> if comp and the null hypothesis (everithing exist) is accepted, then a
> infinity of copies of you are now being kicked by a wild horse while being
> eaten by bugs in an ocean of acid. So it does not matter what just a single
> copy of you is doing whatever ;)
>
>
> 2013/2/13 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
>
>>
>> On 13 Feb 2013, at 04:09, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>>
>>  On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Consider the following thought experiment, called "The Duplicators":
>>>>
>>>> At 1:00 PM tomorrow, you will be abducted by aliens. The aliens will
>>>> tell
>>>> you not to worry, that you won't be harmed but they wish to conduct some
>>>> experiments on the subject of pain, which is unknown to them. These
>>>> aliens
>>>> possess technology far in advance of our own. They have the ability to
>>>> scan
>>>> and replicate objects down to the atomic level and the aliens use this
>>>> technology to create an atom-for-atom duplicate of yourself, which they
>>>> call
>>>> you2. The aliens thank you for your assistance and return you unharmed
>>>> back
>>>> to your home by 5:00 PM. You ask them "What about the pain
>>>> experiments?" and
>>>> they hand you an informational pamphlet and quickly fly off. You read
>>>> the
>>>> pamphlet which explains that a duplicate of you (you2) was created and
>>>> subjected to some rather terrible pain experiments, akin to what humans
>>>> call
>>>> torture and at the end of the experiment you2 was euthanized. You
>>>> consider
>>>> this awful, but are nonetheless glad that they tortured your duplicate
>>>> rather than you.
>>>>
>>>> Now consider the slightly different thought experiment, called "The
>>>> Restorers":
>>>>
>>>> At 1:00 PM tomorrow, you will be abducted by aliens. Unlike the aliens
>>>> with
>>>> the duplication technology (the duplicators), these aliens possess a
>>>> restorative technology. They can perfectly erase memories and all other
>>>> physical traces to perfectly restore you to a previous state. The aliens
>>>> will tell you not to worry, that you won't be harmed but they wish to
>>>> conduct some experiments on the subject of pain, which is unknown to
>>>> them.
>>>> They then proceed to brutually torture you for many hours, conducting
>>>> test
>>>> after test on pain. Afterwards, they erase your memory of the torture
>>>> and
>>>> all traces of injury and stress from your body. When they are finished,
>>>> you
>>>> are atom-for-atom identical to how you were before the torture began.
>>>> The
>>>> aliens thank you for your assistance and return you unharmed back to
>>>> your
>>>> home by 5:00 PM. You ask them "What about the pain experiments?" and
>>>> they
>>>> hand you an informational pamphlet and quickly fly off. You read the
>>>> pamphlet which explains that a duplicate of you (you2) was created and
>>>> subjected to some rather terrible pain experiments, akin to what humans
>>>> call
>>>> torture and at the end of the experiment you2 was euthenized. You
>>>> consider
>>>> this awful, but are nonetheless glad that they tortured your duplicate
>>>> rather than you.
>>>>
>>>> My questions for the list:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Do you consider yourself to have experienced the torture in the case
>>>> of
>>>> the Restorers, even though you no longer remember it?  If not, why not.
>>>>
>>>> 2. If yes, do you consider yourself to have experienced the torture in
>>>> the
>>>> case of the Duplicators?  If yes, please explain, if not, please
>>>> explain.
>>>>
>>>> 3. If you could choose which aliens would abduct you, is there one you
>>>> would
>>>> prefer?  If you have a preference, please provide some justification.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The two experiments are equivalent. Rationally, you should not have a
>>> preference for either - though both are bad in that you experience
>>> pain but then forget it.
>>>
>>
>> OK, same answer (assuming comp).
>>
>> If we assume non-comp, then the answer will be dependent on the theory of
>> mind that we might propose.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>>
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