Craig:
The truth of your statement is no reply to my claim, that how another receiver of signs responds is irrelevant to your knowledge, save the one case of conveyance of knowledge between semiotic units; where you intend for knowledge to be conveyed. In that case, it is behooving of the sender to ensure that the receiver can receive and understand the message. In all other cases, the recipient response is irrelevant; all values and measures originate in the sender of the message. The receiver of transmitted information is irrelevant to the mechanics of that transmission. wrb From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 1:50 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information On Saturday, March 2, 2013 3:59:14 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: ....<snip> >I can use a phonetic transliteration to recite an Arabic >prayer without even knowing what words are being spoken, >let alone the meaning of those words. If your argument is that you have no knowledge of what you are doing, of the sounds you make in recitation, then you have capitulated. In performing the act described above, you know your purpose and how another receiver of those signs responds is irrelevant. There are multiple purposes and expectations. In reciting the prayer, I can fulfill the expectations of Arabic speakers as far as proper diction. I can fulfill the expectations of Arabic text recognition by faithfully matching the correct glyphs with the expected phonemes. But no mater what I do, I cannot fulfill any expectation of understanding verbal-semantic content of what is being said. I might be able to intuit some emotive content on the onomatopoeic level, or by reading the emotional temperature in the room, but my understanding still lacks an important level of communication. Even the receivers are not equal. Young and old, religious and secular, each have different ways of receiving the prayer. Craig wrb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
