On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
> On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following:
>> On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
>>> On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
> ...
>>> I see a bit of irony in the fact that people who believe in
>>> physical reality often call to a principle developed by Occam.
>> What's the irony?  Occam is about our theories and models.  One
>> generally believes in some reality; that why you develop theories
>> about it and try to model it.  I'm not sure what 'physical' adds to
>> 'reality'?
> Let us take an atom as an example (you may replace it by an elementary
> particle or a superstring, your choice). Physicists using such a
> concept usually believe that the atom does exist, aren't they? In this
> sense, physicists are realists.
> At the Occam's time, realists were people who have believed that
> universals exist. Occam has employed his razor to strip universals
> from the reality and his position has led to nominalism. That is,
> universals are just creation of the mind and it does not make sense to
> search for them in the real world.
> Presumably his positions about atoms were the same, an atom is just a
> concept created by the mind - hence it does not make sense to search
> for it in reality. Here is the irony.
> Evgenii
Dear Evgenii,

    I agree! What is almost worse is that immaterialism makes the very
idea that a 'reality' has any existence outside one the mind of the
individual. This makes escape from solipsism impossible.



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