On 29 Mar 2013, at 16:04, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of
"abstract thermodynamic", intelligence is when you get enough heat
while young, something like that. It is close to courage, and it is
what make competence possible.
??
Competence is the most difficult, as they are distributed on
transfinite lattice of incomparable degrees. Some can ask for
necessary long work, and can have negative feedback on intelligence.
That sounds like a quibble. Intelligence is usually just thought
of as the the ability to learn competence over a very general domain.
That's why I think that intelligence is simple, almost a mental
attitude, more akin to courage and humility, than anything else.
Competence asks for gift or work, and can often lead to the feeling
that we are more intelligent than others, which is the first basic
symptom of stupidity.
That sounds more and more "1984"ish... War is peace.
?
Freedom is slavery.
?
Ignorance is strength
I never said that.
Never read George Orwell 1984 ? I just said that what you wrote
sounds like that.
I read it and love it. Orwell wrote in there that "Freedom is the
right to say 2+2=4".
A deep assertion which reminded me my father telling me that the
humans does not want to hear the truth, most usually.
I say that awareness of our ignorance is strength. It participates
to our intelligence.
and now more intelligent is stupid.
That's a contradiction and is not what I said.
Well I quote "to the feeling that we are more intelligent than
others, which is the first basic symptom of stupidity.", that means
if someone feels he is more intelligent than other he is in fact
stupid, if that's not novlang nothing is...
No it means that to feel oneself intelligent, and worst, to assert it,
is not intelligent.
This does not make intelligence contradictory. It means that no
machine can really judge its own, or other intelligence. We can know
that we are conscious, and we can know and communicate that we are
competent, but we cannot know that we are intelligent.
Bruno
Quentin
I said that competence, or expertise, can have, and often have, a
negative feedback on intelligence. Someone quoted Feynman saying
that "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." That's
deeply Löbian, if I can say.
I distinguish "intelligence" from competence. Competence can be
evaluated, measured, relatively compared, trained, ... but
intelligence is like free will and consciousness: it can be hoped
for oneself and others, but it is not measurable, and it corresponds
to a state of mind. It is more like an attitude, close to modesty
but also courage, as it is what makes it possible for persons to
recognize their own mistake. I think that "intelligence" is a
protagorean virtue: like consistency it obeys [] x -> ~x.
Bruno
Quentin
Bruno
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